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Dec 18 2022 07:49pm
There has been a significant change to muting not listed in the update.


High end mutables and now consistently turning into magical or rare quality essence. I started talking about it privately last week but, with continued testing, ive found there's an obvious and significant change. Multiple dozens of mythical and higher are turning into nearly 80% of magical or rare quality essence. Seems the higher quality it is like epic and higher have a significantly higher fail rate.

I'd like to hear others experience in this. Feel free to discuss but, please keep it about the topic and leave put the spam.
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Dec 18 2022 09:30pm
Not just high end….mystical 10 and 15’s are as well. If it stays like this it will greatly lower the value of mystical and higher junk as well imo.
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Dec 18 2022 10:55pm
Hey Jake, just did some testing myself with what i had in my vault and i did not have the same problem as you. here were my results

Arcane X - turned into Angelic essence
Arcane X - turned into Arcane essence
Arcane X - Turned into Angelic essence
Angelic X - Turned into Mystical essence
Angelic X - turned into Angelic essence

Legendary VI - turned into Legendary essence
Legendary VI - turned into Legendary essence
Godly III - turned into Mythical essence
Legendary VII - turned into Legendary essence
Legendary VIII - turned into Angelic essence

Will continue to test, but the lowest of these 10 was mystical.
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Dec 18 2022 11:19pm
Here is a table I made back in April of 2020 with over 500 Arcane or higher items tested.



Edit: Sharing this incase anyone wants to make a newer version :)

Quote (JakeTheDog @ Dec 18 2022 07:49pm)
Multiple dozens of mythical and higher are turning into nearly 80% of magical or rare quality essence.


From the data I gathered your estimate would be about correct from previous versions. Mythical would have 1/5 chance to be magical, 1/5 rare, 1/5 myst etc. 4 out of 5 times you're not getting a mythical essence back.

This post was edited by DankeKong on Dec 18 2022 11:34pm
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Quote (Juston @ 18 Dec 2022 23:55)
Hey Jake, just did some testing myself with what i had in my vault and i did not have the same problem as you. here were my results

Arcane X - turned into Angelic essence
Arcane X - turned into Arcane essence
Arcane X - Turned into Angelic essence
Angelic X - Turned into Mystical essence
Angelic X - turned into Angelic essence

Legendary VI - turned into Legendary essence
Legendary VI - turned into Legendary essence
Godly III - turned into Mythical essence
Legendary VII - turned into Legendary essence
Legendary VIII - turned into Angelic essence

Will continue to test, but the lowest of these 10 was mystical.


I'll post some of my results later. Talking to Ati, he thought it was just a fluke. The pain continues though.... It's been truly abysmal for me.
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Quote (JakeTheDog @ Dec 18 2022 08:16pm)
I'll post some of my results later. Talking to Ati, he thought it was just a fluke. The pain continues though.... It's been truly abysmal for me.


I think with enough samples it will come out approximately equal for all #of properties up to and including the number of the item stripped, but “enough samples” may be a larger number than one would expect… I am not a crazy muter like you all but I do watch what comes out and for me it seems like sometimes almost every item comes out above average and sometimes almost every item comes out way below… nothing about the event or ML, but sometimes luck is sick and sometimes it’s brutal on a given hour, day, week… :evil:

This post was edited by BWConformity on Dec 19 2022 03:26am
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Quote (BWConformity @ 19 Dec 2022 04:26)
I think with enough samples it will come out approximately equal for all #of properties up to and including the number of the item stripped, but “enough samples” may be a larger number than one would expect… I am not a crazy muter like you all but I do watch what comes out and for me it seems like sometimes almost every item comes out above average and sometimes almost every item comes out way below… nothing about the event or ML, but sometimes luck is sick and sometimes it’s brutal on a given hour, day, week… :evil:


I can relate to that.

For me, it got to the point where enough was enough. I was contemplating this post for a week and the continued results was the last straw on this camels back.

I'll be posting results on lvl 40+ mythical+ items within a week or so. I'll need to gather enough to do a proper public study
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Dec 19 2022 10:58am
I wonder if cry threads work for muting or only w/ shitty pass rates.

Will be tracking with interest I suppose to see if a big dick mute pops up in the next couple of days.
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Dec 19 2022 11:35am
Quote (arxyn @ 19 Dec 2022 11:58)
I wonder if cry threads work for muting or only w/ shitty pass rates.

Will be tracking with interest I suppose to see if a big dick mute pops up in the next couple of days.


The point of this thread is for truth and truth only. I wish you and your mates would stop being a damn cancer
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Dec 19 2022 12:06pm
i hadnt seen anything like that
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