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Jan 24 2021 05:19am
Hi guys,

I have one last question for you ...

I really like HC mode better, to play little slower and more carfully. Can I see how many players play SC and how many HC?

And also, HC most probably do not even have any unspawns since items are regulary lost by dying?

What about gaining proficiencies? I was thinking to start transmuting etc on a char that would be only used for that not to play and climb - so I can not loose this work ... suggestions?

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Jan 24 2021 05:38am
Well you pretty much laid out everything :)
There are less good items on Hc and those who have them pretty much never sell them, and if they do its between them good friends.
But on the other hand the Hc community are more helpfull in general than Sc.

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Jan 24 2021 06:05am
Quote (VilfanG @ Jan 24 2021 03:19am)
Hi guys,

I have one last question for you ...

I really like HC mode better, to play little slower and more carfully. Can I see how many players play SC and how many HC?

And also, HC most probably do not even have any unspawns since items are regulary lost by dying?

What about gaining proficiencies? I was thinking to start transmuting etc on a char that would be only used for that not to play and climb - so I can not loose this work ... suggestions?

Regards


yeah good idea not to mute/fish ect on main leveling char. you'll gain levels slowly anyways from muting/fishing and other skills. even more. 25x Cooking Experience from the bonus event atm.
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Jan 24 2021 09:07am
Quote (low-ki @ Jan 24 2021 01:05pm)
yeah good idea not to mute/fish ect on main leveling char. you'll gain levels slowly anyways from muting/fishing and other skills. even more. 25x Cooking Experience from the bonus event atm.


Ok thx, what about player base? A lot more on softcore?
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Jan 24 2021 09:54am
Quote (VilfanG @ Jan 24 2021 03:07pm)
Ok thx, what about player base? A lot more on softcore?


I would argue it's around a 75/25 split with SC with the significantly higher player base.
Can get some idea from the top guilds although it's sort of skewed as HC get 2x gp's per climb, but SC also is more likely to do 101 events and Mirror Maze, both of which can add a lot of GPs.


Image taken from here: https://ladderslasher.d2jsp.org/index.php?a=3&h=-1&t=4&c=2

Just looking at guilds with over 1000 GPs, 3 of the 4 of them are SC which helps confirm my thoughts on 75/25.



HC does not have any unspawns at all as HC came out after the ability to get unspawns was removed. The amount of items for sale is pretty similar to SC, as whilst yes some HC players die and lose gear, there's a huge amount of SC gear which is on players whom are now inactive.

I do not necessarily agree that the HC community is more helpful.
lets arguably try these two topics: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=84567423&f=42 and https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=84565588&f=42
The SC player was picked up by Storm whom are doing an awesome job at trying to include people
the new HC player is still guildless and not really received any help as far as i can tell.

However i have seen instances in the past of the opposite also being true of HC helping more than SC.
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Jan 24 2021 12:08pm
Quote (Bigheaded @ 24 Jan 2021 08:54)
I would argue it's around a 75/25 split with SC with the significantly higher player base.
Can get some idea from the top guilds although it's sort of skewed as HC get 2x gp's per climb, but SC also is more likely to do 101 events and Mirror Maze, both of which can add a lot of GPs.
https://i.imgur.com/Y3NS2vo.png

Image taken from here: https://ladderslasher.d2jsp.org/index.php?a=3&h=-1&t=4&c=2

Just looking at guilds with over 1000 GPs, 3 of the 4 of them are SC which helps confirm my thoughts on 75/25.



HC does not have any unspawns at all as HC came out after the ability to get unspawns was removed. The amount of items for sale is pretty similar to SC, as whilst yes some HC players die and lose gear, there's a huge amount of SC gear which is on players whom are now inactive.

I do not necessarily agree that the HC community is more helpful.
lets arguably try these two topics: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=84567423&f=42 and https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=84565588&f=42
The SC player was picked up by Storm whom are doing an awesome job at trying to include people
the new HC player is still guildless and not really received any help as far as i can tell.

However i have seen instances in the past of the opposite also being true of HC helping more than SC.


Numbers are a bit skewed here because not every guild is the same size or has the same number of active members, but for the most part the analysis is ok.

HC community overall is more....casual I'd say. Wouldn't go as far as to say one is more helpful than the other, just seems to me HC players are less "hardcore" players xD

As for the threads, you have an established person on one hand looking for a SC guild and an extremely new account looking for HC...kind of not a fair comparison.

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Jan 24 2021 12:18pm
Quote (Ryanrules @ Jan 24 2021 06:08pm)
As for the threads, you have an established person on one hand looking for a SC guild and an extremely new account looking for HC...kind of not a fair comparison.


perhaps not. However my case is still the point in that 90% of new SC players i will redirect to WDB as an example the topic creator i have personally spoken to.
I could give other examples of people i have spoken with.

New HC players i will generally leave for the HC community or chuck them Bob's guide. This is partly due to not having any HC mules so can't just give them low end gear.
I am unsure if anyone has spoken to him to be honest and it may just be that he's no longer interested with LS.

Arguably if i'm taken out of the equation it could be stated possibly not enough is being done on either core.



In terms of the numbers being skewed then obviously that's the case, but there being 3 times as many SC climbs than there are HC is probably accurate right now, Can probably even include solo players as there's around 10-12 sc solo players that i'm aware of whom are active, however i don't see too many solo MQ's for HC coming up in the chat logs ;)
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Jan 24 2021 12:43pm
Thabks Bigheaded, exactly what I wanted to hear.

I have anyway decided HC suits me better. Somehow I like challenge more.

Thanks for help and apreciate it!
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Jan 24 2021 01:11pm
Bigheaded gave good advice.

HC: Normally have a character just for skilling and another character for doing runs (pretty much the normal thing to do)

You will see that SC is way more active now because HC & SC reset within 24 hours of each other (also, most current players it is winter and they are playing LS more often), here is the Ladder link where you can view SC / HC character classes (top 50) and all Ranks (Profs):

https://ladderslasher.d2jsp.org/index.php?a=3&h=1&t=0&c=0

Since I can not talk about other(s) and their guilds, in Kirby (guild I am in), I only solo & testing currently so not interested in full climbs, but, if you are on at the same time as Tr3vor, you maybe able to get into a run with him if he is not in a group run already.

Wish you the best on HC. By the way, yup, HC is more laid back with new people in group (well, that was like 3 years or more ago, not sure about some of the current group runs).
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Quote (izParagonzi @ 24 Jan 2021 12:11)
Bigheaded gave good advice.

HC: Normally have a character just for skilling and another character for doing runs (pretty much the normal thing to do)

You will see that SC is way more active now because HC & SC reset within 24 hours of each other (also, most current players it is winter and they are playing LS more often), here is the Ladder link where you can view SC / HC character classes (top 50) and all Ranks (Profs):

https://ladderslasher.d2jsp.org/index.php?a=3&h=1&t=0&c=0

Since I can not talk about other(s) and their guilds, in Kirby (guild I am in), I only solo & testing currently so not interested in full climbs, but, if you are on at the same time as Tr3vor, you maybe able to get into a run with him if he is not in a group run already.

Wish you the best on HC. By the way, yup, HC is more laid back with new people in group (well, that was like 3 years or more ago, not sure about some of the current group runs).


you have to have said something wrong if Rex starts with "Bigheaded gave good advice."

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