Hey all! I wanna break out my EE charms before WL. Which class is the best viable caster to suit a MQ group climb? Any comments on abilities are appreciated as well.

This post was edited by redawg53 on Oct 29 2018 11:21pm

The correct answer is, melee. Seriously, its not viable to cast on any class unless you are soloing and ready to shrine/fish like hell. If you solo explore, double/powercast. Group, Pillar/Pierce.

I wouldnt recommend any class for off-class casting, ever. Not to mention getting the right gear to make it worthwhile is going to be.......not happening.

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There is no such thing as a good class to off cast on. The gear does not exist in large enough supply to ever hope for it to be a comfortable experience.. You wanna use your charms? Roll a mage.

The best class for off-casting is paladin and the reason is he's the worst class for melee, so going off-cast on him is the most worth it.

If you can afford to have the same ee and stats on your melee gear as your caster gear, then off-casting is never ever worth it, but since good daggers/axes cost a kidney each after lvl 35/40, if you can even find any, it's way easier to find a higher charm set

So unless you buy the cheaper melee weapons, off casting becomes ~the same as melee if you can get 50+ ee higher charms compared to your melee gear after lvl 25/30

Off casting allows you to not need numerous melee sets and invest thousands of FG into gear. You'll absolutely do less damage than most melee people and have less effective abilities while casting. But doing so will allow you to have just your casting charms. An Int armor, and a Int staff/Sword for -- You're already past Samurai, this is by far the worst to try and cast on.

Dion has the best off casting stuff in the game, and the best prof in the game. If he's saying it isn't that pleasant then he's probably right.

I love the idea of having 1 charm set and working around that. It will be tough for sure

This also allows you to build the most important prof, the one that you'll be using through the most percentage of the game naturally, due to Warlock and Alchemist.

This post was edited by Joshie on Oct 30 2018 12:08am

Very useful info!! thx

I feel the need to chime in as I offcast often

The recent changes to the mq system have helped greatly! You level up more quickly and thus get mana refills more often. Going past 71 also means you get more ability points and become more of a real character.
Since these changes I've even dealt most damage by the end of the climb sometimes. Most of this comes from overkilling 55+ and I can't really compete with actual casters...or people with really good melee gear. I also have above average caster equipment so take this with a grain of salt

Despite all this I definitely have to agree with Dion and Cheeya here. I have a lot of mana and int/mana gear and I still run out of mana even with my charm in the accessory slot in slower climbs. In faster climbs I can main slot my charm more often (usually 1-15 with mana gear and ee/mana charms, and the 30+ with no mana gear) but these are FAST climbs with warlocks and good clickers. This is not usually a comfortable experience, I have to juggle my int charms with my heal charms and put my damage charm back and forth between the main and accessory slot as the climb needs. If ANYBODY stops clicking for whatever reason, or even if multiple people go to take items out of the vault at the same time, your mana is gone. I can honestly say that I can't wait to pass to ninja just for a simpler climbing experience for a little bit (I have ee swords, I don't have ee staves or daggers for my monk).

If you're dead set on doing this then Paladin and Monk are the best as they have the highest base int of the nontypical casters. This isn't only important for damage but it also influences your overall potential mana pool and Samurai/Ninja can't compete with Monk/Paladin mana pool.
Paladin is more versatile with gear options but Monk can use your Warlock gear. Paladin has higher base vit so he edges it out there.

Also for abilities you pretty much wanna go Pillarcast and Piercecast as they have better damage amp than multicast. This is desperately needed when offcasting. Also they're pink rather than red so they charge way faster lol

edit: Good stuff Zombie

This post was edited by Altrdwolf on Oct 30 2018 12:27am

To answer your question: pala worst melee char 20 base int ( can wear heavy arms ) so gear is quite cheap


Sinse i came back i did around ~100 climbs and all were caster climbs... the worst class is samu because the 5 base int hurts extreme and you need to shrine/fish or glyph alot ... but on pala your base mana is good enough for good groups ( ~1h climbs ) and mana is not a problem in most cases...

I'll leave my opinion too, since I offcasted every class since when I came back.

Maybe unpopular opinion, but I think the best offclass class is monk. He can use staves like mage or warlock, so you don't have to buy new int items like daggers or swords. He starts with 20 int like paladin, and 40 vita is good enough to survive since you'll stay back anyway, the 55 vita offered from pala is overkill imo. I also think that monk is almost as good as mage. Mage starts with 50 int and 20 vita, you are forced to put your 10 points into vita.
Usually you pass feeder in 1-2climbs. When you are at monk, you start with 15+ points (if you are not superlucky with sammy+pala), that means you have 35int and 40 vita as base. Ofc mage has still more int and skills charge a lot faster, but in higher levels the difference is not really noticeable. You go 99% of the time with mage abilities, like they already told you. Multicast is so slow at the start and need too many points in order to be useful. I'd pref taking powercast or even healback at that point, if I need a 3rd ability.
Paladin is of course good enough and healback is so strong (still bugged though i think) you can manage heals easily.
Ninja and samu are more tricky (sammy starts with 10 int ), I wouldn't cast them if I were you. You need REALLY good gear to cast with them, lower levels are a pain (1-10 usually are easy because most people have mana gear with int, harder levels are imo 10-30, when you are using pure int unless you are a dedicated offcast player) and you do little to no damage if you stat pure mana, and even in that case the chance to end your mana even when charm is in your acc slot is high. You need people who actually click / wls which are overpowered to not feel bad while climbing with them. Their damage output is still really good, if you have good gear - I am casting ninja now and I can tell you I can do more damage than some wls (even though they heal and I usually don't because I am lazy). The change in the mq level really helped offcasting.
I still think melee is far superior, like most people here which have a lot of experience said.

This post was edited by Andrea94 on Oct 30 2018 03:48am

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