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Sep 5 2018 09:45pm
Guardian used to be my go too for climbs. he was a tank. a healer. and smack the hell outta them mobs with a big ole nasty club.

but after magical defense addition to the game plates and roes were made tehe same and the best tanks were mid armor wearers. Could we please get a second look at guardian paul? maybe switch him to mid armors only so that he can properly fulfill his role in life?
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Sep 5 2018 10:01pm
I think I am the only Avid Guardian gamer left... good to see someone or others think the same.

Personally, I would prefer that the Guardian has access to 1 cast charm... Wind. Yes, using Scales/Leather would be nice, but, a guardian is useless vs Soften the sneaky shell because they only use Heals. Damn... Headhunter can use Wild heals and Lightning? Why... they shouldn't be able to use ANY heal type charms at all, but, they can, so why can't a guardian use a Wind charm?

EDIT: Wind: Guardian calls forth his/her gods wrath by calling forth the voice of the gods (Wind)

Quote (SilentXer0 @ Sep 6 2018 05:10pm)
i agree that it could use something, the armor change did take quite a bit away from it.

Edit:

don't really have any ideas myself other than maby some natural heal mastery, so that it wouldn't fundamentally change the class.


Thanks... you just reminded me of a suggestion I was going to post.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Sep 5 2018 10:18pm
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Sep 5 2018 10:10pm
i agree that it could use something, the armor change did take quite a bit away from it.

Edit:

don't really have any ideas myself other than maby some natural heal mastery, so that it wouldn't fundamentally change the class.

This post was edited by SilentXer0 on Sep 5 2018 10:13pm
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Sep 6 2018 01:39am
Guardian is ok in plate as dedicated healer since you can stack int for magic defence, other than that yeah.
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Sep 6 2018 01:44am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Sep 6 2018 08:39pm)
Guardian is ok in plate as dedicated healer since you can stack int for magic defence, other than that yeah.


Okay... interesting:

Angelic tempered diamond plate mail, Physical Defense: 49 to 149, Magical Defense: 0 to 18, +16 Vitality, +38 Intelligence, +8 Life Regen, +2% Mind Numb
Base Int 60 "Unequipped"
Angelic tempered diamond plate mail, Physical Defense: 53 to 160, Magical Defense: 0 to 23, +16 Vitality, +38 Intelligence, +8 Life Regen, +2% Mind Numb
Base Int 60 "Equipped"

great increase in magical defense right?

EDIT: not being argumentative, just pointing out the obvious. Got to like the 16 Vitality giving a lot more phys defense on the plate though.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Sep 6 2018 01:51am
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Quote (izParagonzi @ Sep 6 2018 02:44am)
Okay... interesting:

Angelic tempered diamond plate mail, Physical Defense: 49 to 149, Magical Defense: 0 to 18, +16 Vitality, +38 Intelligence, +8 Life Regen, +2% Mind Numb
Base Int 60 "Unequipped"
Angelic tempered diamond plate mail, Physical Defense: 53 to 160, Magical Defense: 0 to 23, +16 Vitality, +38 Intelligence, +8 Life Regen, +2% Mind Numb
Base Int 60 "Equipped"

great increase in magical defense right?

EDIT: not being argumentative, just pointing out the obvious. Got to like the 16 Vitality giving a lot more phys defense on the plate though.


Magical defense is not just represented by your armor's defences.
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Sep 6 2018 05:48am
Quote (McDavid @ Sep 6 2018 07:15am)
Magical defense is not just represented by your armor's defences.



And neither is just physical so this is moot. The point is the character is a Tank healer. And he can’t be switch heavy only to mid only
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Sep 6 2018 12:52pm
Quote (McDavid @ Sep 7 2018 12:15am)
Magical defense is not just represented by your armor's defences.


You should read first. I quoted plague and responded with numbers... 38 int = 5 max magical defense.
Next time I should just read your mind and not post response directly to a persons quote.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Sep 6 2018 08:39pm)
Guardian is ok in plate as dedicated healer since you can stack int for magic defence, other than that yeah.


Quote (GunslingerOfOld @ Sep 7 2018 12:48am)
And neither is just physical so this is moot. The point is the character is a Tank healer. And he can’t be switch heavy only to mid only


I see the switching of heavy to medium armors to be more logical... personally I would hate this after spending time getting my plates / chains. Not just that, it would also increase the amount of scales/leathers even more if this happened. I would concede to this if you made Headhunter Plate / Chain only, this would balance out the disappointments and cause more cries.
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Sep 6 2018 12:55pm
Diablo clone plays guardian alot he tanks / heals they lack serious damage tho
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Sep 6 2018 01:09pm
Quote (izParagonzi @ Sep 6 2018 02:52pm)
You should read first. I quoted plague and responded with numbers... 38 int = 5 max magical defense.
Next time I should just read your mind and not post response directly to a persons quote.





I see the switching of heavy to medium armors to be more logical... personally I would hate this after spending time getting my plates / chains. Not just that, it would also increase the amount of scales/leathers even more if this happened. I would concede to this if you made Headhunter Plate / Chain only, this would balance out the disappointments and cause more cries.


I'm not suggesting this by any means... but the most simple solution to this problem IMO, would be to skew mobs to use physical attacks over casts even more than they currently do. I mean... maybe plate and chain defend magical like robe and padded defend physical, but you can still tank in a plate because of the ratio of physical attackers to magical. Even if you put on Dan's 277 ee lvl 55 "robe" or w/e you need like 10k hp to tank anything :lol: I don't think "it's a bad tank" is the real reason people don't use guardian. I think the problem is that the monsters aren't strong enough that you even really need a dedicated tank/healer in the current version of the game. It's a shame, but then again this game's great. It's just a minor flaw for now... until Paul makes the monsters harder ;)
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