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Does anyone know how their spawning works? Complete a maze and get a random map. Even large high level catacombs can yield a bad low level map.

My question is what determines the maps possible level? Is it your characters level when the cata dungeon is done? Or is it your characters level when the cata is first spawned that determines the end result? If it's the level when the cata is spawned, what is the best level to spawn the cata you plan on completing?

I know maps are typically less efficient earning potential as compared to farming evil presence. I figured it might be fun to go for good maps while im climbing monk and maybe ninja. I plan on using the maps myself.
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Id love to see more info about this. I feel I always get tier 1 at the end no matter what. Sometimes invest 3-4 hours to finish a map for nothing. Best thing is to just open new maze of stuck.
Am looking forward to seeing some more info on this inquiry. Great question.
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Jun 9 2024 02:29pm
maybe its just me but i think when i start at lvl ~20-30( doing smaller catas) the map drop is better than when i start at 40+. also when i finish the map "faster" the map drop is better. (only full explore catas with bigger rooms)
e: but most of the time the map drop is trash and need to be changed

This post was edited by tor_zero on Jun 9 2024 02:29pm
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Jun 9 2024 09:37pm
I started a map at level 45 and finished at 67. Obtained a tier 3 map with +3 evil presence. Totally worth missing out on the eps in the mid 50s and early 60s. I will continue my quest for the top maps however!
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Jun 10 2024 01:57pm
I now learned not to click totems if trying to complete the map. They can spawn trapdoors that ignore the no trapdoor event and the classes that are suppose to detect them.
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Jun 10 2024 03:11pm
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I now learned not to click totems if trying to complete the map. They can spawn trapdoors that ignore the no trapdoor event and the classes that are suppose to detect them.


Yep sadly it work that way..
Need to be changed
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Jun 10 2024 03:48pm
Here is a quick fact. The map drop at the end of the Catacomb is based on the character level when completing the catacomb, and on top of this, the map can be two(2) Tiers above your character level.

I have heard that people put on Magic Luck gear before hitting the last square to improve the map drop in some way (whether more EPs, modifiers, or the Tier of the map drop). I haven't tried this out.

I have been testing the dimensions of the catacomb runs and approximate character level when completing the catacomb. It is incomplete, but you may want to use the information in the chance of higher map drops... oh, you can test the ML gear during your own testing.

EDIT: So with this data, you could start a catacomb, complete it by level 45, and hopefully the map dropped is Tier XIV (level 55). Since you completed it by level 45, start the next catacomb, you could complete it by level 65+/-

Code
Catacomb
Dimension Start To Gain

05w x 05h Lvl 01 (Lvl 02) = Approx 01 Lvl
05w x 05h Lvl 02 (Lvl 03) = Approx 01 Lvl
06w x 05h Lvl 03 (Lvl 04) = Approx 01 Lvl
06w x 06h Lvl 04 (Lvl 05) = Approx 01 Lvl
07w x 06h Lvl 05 (Lvl 07) = Approx 02 Lvl
07w x 06h Lvl 06 (Lvl 08) = Approx 02 Lvl
08w x 06h Lvl 07 (Lvl 09) = Approx 02 Lvl
08w x 07h Lvl 08 (Lvl ??) = Approx ?? Lvl
09w x 07h Lvl 09 (Lvl 13) = Approx 03 Lvl
09w x 07h Lvl 10 (Lvl 13) = Approx 03 Lvl
10w x 07h Lvl 11 (Lvl 15) = Approx 04 Lvl
??w x ??h Lvl 12
11w x 08h Lvl 13 (Lvl 17) = Approx 04 Lvl
11w x 08h Lvl 14 (Lvl 18) = Approx 05 Lvl
12w x 09h Lvl 15 (Lvl 22) = Approx 07 Lvl
12w x 09h Lvl 16 (Lvl 20) = Approx 05 Lvl
13w x 09h Lvl 17 (Lvl 24) = Approx 07 Lvl

13w x 09h Lvl ?? (Retest)
13w x 09h Lvl 18 (Lvl 23) = Approx 05 Lvl

14w x 10h Lvl 19 (Lvl 22) = Approx ?? Lvl
14w x 10h Lvl 20 (Lvl 26) = Approx 06 Lvl
15w x 10h Lvl 21 (Lvl 31) = Approx 10 Lvl
16w x 10h Lvl 22 (Lvl 26) = Approx 14 Lvl
15w x 11h Lvl 23 (Lvl 29) = Approx 16 Lvl
16w x 11h Lvl 24 (Lvl 33) = Approx 09 Lvl
16w x 11h Lvl 25 (Lvl 35) = Approx 10 Lvl

17w x 12h Retest (Lvl 40)
17w x 14h Lvl 26 (Lvl 34) = Approx 08 Lvl

17w x 13h Lvl 27 Retest
??w x ??h Lvl 28
19w x 12h Lvl 29 (Lvl 39) = Approx 10 Lvl
??w x ??h Lvl 30
19w x 13h Lvl 31 (Lvl 41) = Approx 10 Lvl
20w x 13h Lvl 32 (Lvl 43) = Approx 11 Lvl
20w x 13h Lvl 33 (Td'd ?)
21w x 14h Lvl 34 (Lvl 46) = Approx 12 Lvl
??w x ??h Lvl 35
??w x ??h Lvl 36
??w x ??h Lvl 37
??w x ??h Lvl 38

24w x 16h Retest (Lvl 59)
24w x 15h Lvl 39 (Lvl 55) = Approx 16 Lvl
24w x 15h Lvl 40 (Lvl 59) = Approx 19 Lvl

24w x 16h Lvl 41 (Lvl 56) = Approx 09 Lvl

25w x 16h Lvl 42 (Lvl 57) = Approx 15 Lvl
25w x 16h Lvl 43 (Lvl 61) = Approx 18 Lvl
25w x 16h Lvl 44 (Lvl 66) = Approx 12 Lvl
??w x ??h Lvl 45
26w x 17h Lvl 46 (Lvl 67) = Approx 13 Lvl
??w x ??h Lvl 47
27w x 17h Lvl 48 (Lvl 72) = Approx 24 Lvl
??w x ??h Lvl 49
29w x 18h Lvl 50 ??
30w x 18h Lvl 51 ??
??w x ??h Lvl 52
31w x 19h Lvl 53 ??
??w x 19h Lvl 54
32w x 20h Lvl 55 (MQ lvl 73+ 75% completed)
32w x 21h Lvl 56 (MQ lvl 75+)
32w x 21h Lvl 57 ??
32w x 20h Lvl 58 (MQ lvl 73+/-)
33w x 20h Lvl 59 (MQ lvl 71+)
35w x 22h Lvl 60 (MQ lvl 71 incomplete)
??w x ??h Lvl 61
??w x ??h Lvl 62
??w x ??h Lvl 63
35w x 22h Lvl 64 (MQ lvl 75+ 50% completed)
??w x ??h Lvl 65
??w x ??h Lvl 66
39w x 24h Lvl 67 ??

Map Dimensions

05w x 05h Patched : Tier I Mlvl Cap 15: Approx 1 lvl per
07w x 06h Rawhide : Tier II Mlvl Cap 20: Approx 2 lvls per
10w x 07h Tanned : Tier III Mlvl Cap 25: Approx 3 lvls per
12w x 09h Cured : Tier IV Mlvl Cap 30: Approx 5 lvls per
15w x 10h Hard : Tier V Mlvl Cap 35: Approx 7 lvls per
17w x 12h Dbl Cured : Tier VI Mlvl Cap 40: Approx 7 lvls per
19w x 13h Rigid : Tier VII Mlvl Cap 45: Approx 10 lvls per

24w x 16h Imbued : Tier IX Mlvl Cap 55: Approx 13 lvls per

29w x 18h Enchanted : Tier XI Mlvl Cap 65: Approx 21 lvls per
31w x 20h Embossed : Tier XII Mlvl Cap 70: Approx 23 lvls per


This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jun 10 2024 03:52pm
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Quote (izParagonzi @ Jun 10 2024 05:48pm)
Here is a quick fact. The map drop at the end of the Catacomb is based on the character level when completing the catacomb, and on top of this, the map can be two(2) Tiers above your character level.

I have heard that people put on Magic Luck gear before hitting the last square to improve the map drop in some way (whether more EPs, modifiers, or the Tier of the map drop). I haven't tried this out.

I have been testing the dimensions of the catacomb runs and approximate character level when completing the catacomb. It is incomplete, but you may want to use the information in the chance of higher map drops... oh, you can test the ML gear during your own testing.

Continued: Add on.

Code
Catacomb
Dimension Start To Gain

05w x 05h Lvl 01 (Lvl 02) = Approx 01 Lvl
05w x 05h Lvl 02 (Lvl 03) = Approx 01 Lvl
06w x 05h Lvl 03 (Lvl 04) = Approx 01 Lvl
06w x 06h Lvl 04 (Lvl 05) = Approx 01 Lvl
07w x 06h Lvl 05 (Lvl 07) = Approx 02 Lvl
07w x 06h Lvl 06 (Lvl 08) = Approx 02 Lvl
08w x 06h Lvl 07 (Lvl 09) = Approx 02 Lvl
08w x 07h Lvl 08 (Lvl ??) = Approx ?? Lvl
09w x 07h Lvl 09 (Lvl 13) = Approx 03 Lvl
09w x 07h Lvl 10 (Lvl 13) = Approx 03 Lvl
10w x 07h Lvl 11 (Lvl 15) = Approx 04 Lvl
??w x ??h Lvl 12
11w x 08h Lvl 13 (Lvl 17) = Approx 04 Lvl
11w x 08h Lvl 14 (Lvl 18) = Approx 05 Lvl
12w x 09h Lvl 15 (Lvl 22) = Approx 07 Lvl
12w x 09h Lvl 16 (Lvl 20) = Approx 05 Lvl
13w x 09h Lvl 17 (Lvl 24) = Approx 07 Lvl

13w x 09h Lvl ?? (Retest)
13w x 09h Lvl 18 (Lvl 23) = Approx 05 Lvl

14w x 10h Lvl 19 (Lvl 22) = Approx ?? Lvl
14w x 10h Lvl 20 (Lvl 26) = Approx 06 Lvl
15w x 10h Lvl 21 (Lvl 31) = Approx 10 Lvl
16w x 10h Lvl 22 (Lvl 26) = Approx 14 Lvl
15w x 11h Lvl 23 (Lvl 29) = Approx 16 Lvl
16w x 11h Lvl 24 (Lvl 33) = Approx 09 Lvl
16w x 11h Lvl 25 (Lvl 35) = Approx 10 Lvl

17w x 12h Retest (Lvl 40)
17w x 14h Lvl 26 (Lvl 34) = Approx 08 Lvl

17w x 13h Lvl 27 Retest
??w x ??h Lvl 28
19w x 12h Lvl 29 (Lvl 39) = Approx 10 Lvl
??w x ??h Lvl 30
19w x 13h Lvl 31 (Lvl 41) = Approx 10 Lvl
20w x 13h Lvl 32 (Lvl 43) = Approx 11 Lvl
20w x 13h Lvl 33 (Td'd ?)
21w x 14h Lvl 34 (Lvl 46) = Approx 12 Lvl
??w x ??h Lvl 35
??w x ??h Lvl 36
??w x ??h Lvl 37
??w x ??h Lvl 38

24w x 16h Retest (Lvl 59)
24w x 15h Lvl 39 (Lvl 55) = Approx 16 Lvl
24w x 15h Lvl 40 (Lvl 59) = Approx 19 Lvl

24w x 16h Lvl 41 (Lvl 56) = Approx 09 Lvl

25w x 16h Lvl 42 (Lvl 57) = Approx 15 Lvl
25w x 16h Lvl 43 (Lvl 61) = Approx 18 Lvl
25w x 16h Lvl 44 (Lvl 66) = Approx 12 Lvl
??w x ??h Lvl 45
26w x 17h Lvl 46 (Lvl 67) = Approx 13 Lvl
??w x ??h Lvl 47
27w x 17h Lvl 48 (Lvl 72) = Approx 24 Lvl
??w x ??h Lvl 49
29w x 18h Lvl 50 ??
30w x 18h Lvl 51 ??
??w x ??h Lvl 52
31w x 19h Lvl 53 ??
??w x 19h Lvl 54
32w x 20h Lvl 55 (MQ lvl 73+ 75% completed)
32w x 21h Lvl 56 (MQ lvl 75+)
32w x 21h Lvl 57 ??
32w x 20h Lvl 58 (MQ lvl 73+/-)
33w x 20h Lvl 59 (MQ lvl 71+)
35w x 22h Lvl 60 (MQ lvl 71 incomplete)
??w x ??h Lvl 61
??w x ??h Lvl 62
??w x ??h Lvl 63
35w x 22h Lvl 64 (MQ lvl 75+ 50% completed)
??w x ??h Lvl 65
??w x ??h Lvl 66
39w x 24h Lvl 67 ??

Map Dimensions

05w x 05h Patched : Tier I Mlvl Cap 15: Approx 1 lvl per
07w x 06h Rawhide : Tier II Mlvl Cap 20: Approx 2 lvls per
10w x 07h Tanned : Tier III Mlvl Cap 25: Approx 3 lvls per
12w x 09h Cured : Tier IV Mlvl Cap 30: Approx 5 lvls per
15w x 10h Hard : Tier V Mlvl Cap 35: Approx 7 lvls per
17w x 12h Dbl Cured : Tier VI Mlvl Cap 40: Approx 7 lvls per
19w x 13h Rigid : Tier VII Mlvl Cap 45: Approx 10 lvls per

24w x 16h Imbued : Tier IX Mlvl Cap 55: Approx 13 lvls per

29w x 18h Enchanted : Tier XI Mlvl Cap 65: Approx 21 lvls per
31w x 20h Embossed : Tier XII Mlvl Cap 70: Approx 23 lvls per


So would it be possible to whistle until a high level from a very small map? Get high map from small cata?
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So would it be possible to whistle until a high level from a very small map? Get high map from small cata?


I don't like whistling, done it a few times ONLY because of a Well and no whites, map drops were crap from recollection. Oh, I have read from a couple of people, they believe it is based on clearing speed (level, not time). I haven't tested this out, but the data is there if you want to try it out.

Sorry if this doesn't help much. I have found Tier XIV maps on occasions (rare), but they were all crap, and I didn't want to spend time clearing that maps dimension knowing I could not complete it.
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Quote (izParagonzi @ Jun 10 2024 05:59pm)
I don't like whistling, done it a few times ONLY because of a Well and no whites, map drops were crap from recollection. Oh, I have read from a couple of people, they believe it is based on clearing speed (level, not time). I haven't tested this out, but the data is there if you want to try it out.

Sorry if this doesn't help much. I have found Tier XIV maps on occasions (rare), but they were all crap, and I didn't want to spend time clearing that maps dimension knowing I could not complete it.


I guess whistling until 45 would be for the best? That should allow for level 55 maps on the starter map theoretically. I'll try a few climbs to see if any higher level maps come as a result. I'll post here with my findings.

Please someone post if this is just crazy talk.
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