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Aug 18 2010 08:07pm
Quote (KakeWalk @ Aug 18 2010 10:05pm)
Can you start handing out numbers now? me first. Who am I?


I think it would be unfair for me to judge you alone. I think committee from each respective category would be the best bet.

However, I think you fall into #1 and #2 category. From what I have seen on the forums you seem to play the game but still posts some ideas, so that puts you in the state of an idealist.

I will nominate myself the numbers 6 and entirely 6. You can argue if I am a #4 as that has to do more with experience and accolades more than personality.

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I think it would be unfair for me to judge you alone. I think committee from each respective category would be the best bet.

However, I think you fall into #1 and #2 category. From what I have seen on the forums you seem to play the game but still posts some ideas, so that puts you in the state of an idealist.


Lance please make a judging thread. Please. I need some lawls.
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Aug 18 2010 08:11pm
Quote (DanDoing @ Aug 19 2010 12:51pm)
Yes this is an Elitist group that climbs as you say and for approx.. 80% if not more of slashers are not even close to being good enough for this guild to even consider playing with, but the advise they give is usually quite good. The proficiency that you gain in cata's is extremely low. The guide didn't mention that part but jump on a few vents and you can hear all about it. The aiding of the party a little bit is just that with 5 prof you would probably aid more with melee setup on you mage and still heal a little too.


Quote (Snickrz @ Aug 19 2010 01:10pm)
I beg to differ... I have 7 proof on my caster and I find I'm either healing more then casting and therefore wacking for no damage with my intell weapon. Or I cast and only cast at waves 6+ to conserve my mana, and therefore the rest of the time again, I'm wacking monsters with my int weapon, thus still doing damage that doesn't even begin to compare with a decent melee person the the group. Unless it's a warlock chances are your caster doesn't have enough mana to effectively heal and cast. I have average gear and 7.25 prof. I do not consider myself as effective in cata. I will only get into a cata if there are 4 guildies that need a 5th. They are perfectly aware of the fact that I can't deal damage and before you tell me that I'm not effective because some of my guild members have elite gear, does not mean all of us do. I KNOW I lack in the "effective" department so it drives me to solo in the arena until I do


Quote (DeafBoy @ Aug 19 2010 01:19pm)
The point of this thread isn't about talking how to plot a motive to play with crappy prof in catacombs.
This thread is about how casters are most effective in catacombs. And gaining the most prof you can is the answer.
So take your grinding philosophies to some other thread where you can discuss how you want to play with crappy prof with crappy gear.


The points made in this guide are good... no problem there.

It does not cover how to be effective in catacombs when:
1. A person has Sub standard gear
2. When a person wants to MQ and gain Profs at the same time, but does not want to spend their time in Arena
3. Utilise "Switchout" gear while cata'ing.
4. Conserving Mana based on the gear that person may have (nub to sub standard gear)
5. Recognising the monsters Defense vs Casting/Melee
6. Understanding the strengths/weaknesses of other party members

There are a ton of things that are NOT included in this guide, and even though the advice is really good, it does not offer alot of things.
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Dexterity:
Minimum 90
Maximum 120

Simple... I like 90 minimum, and that is also the same when it comes to Intelligence when casting (w8ing on the slam)

As I stated before... it is a "Nice Guide", but that is all it is... "Nice"
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Edit: @ Deafboy...
I just loved that table and description of people... I can be a number of those at times... all based on my mood at the time.
So... I will label myself as a person that only plays, does not upgrade that often because I am stingy, know the BASICS of the game and try to improve my speed by utilising what I have on hand, while imposing my opinions and ideas on others... but... just let them die because they are just suggestions... they are either liked or not... but I do get a laugh at many comments and posts while I fish for certain responses.
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Quote (Snickrz @ Aug 19 2010 02:24pm)
Are you really missing the point. You can't have your cake and eat it too, not as a caster. You want to cast? take the time and build your prof properly in the arena, in the long run it's a LOT faster. Building that prof in cata takes so many extra climbs you are pointless. Mine as well strap on your HM gear and go heal full time..


My comments are not based on what I want to do, it is based on the fact that there are others that play just to MQ in catas for drops to improve their gear
Get more GPs for their guild, compete with other guild members, trying to complete a guild competition and much more...

I know all well about gaining Ranks... I got from Rank0 to Rank7 in Ice within 28 gaming hours, I also did not do my first MQ until I was rank10 in Sword and many other things...




This post was edited by izParagonzi on Aug 18 2010 08:39pm
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Quote (SatanXX @ Aug 18 2010 10:10pm)
Lance please make a judging thread. Please. I need some lawls.


Done

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Quote (izParagonzi @ Aug 18 2010 07:11pm)
The points made in this guide are good... no problem there.

It does not cover how to be effective in catacombs when:
1. A person has Sub standard gear
2. When a person wants to MQ and gain Profs at the same time, but does not want to spend their time in Arena
3. Utilise "Switchout" gear while cata'ing.
4. Conserving Mana based on the gear that person may have (nub to sub standard gear)
5. Recognising the monsters Defense vs Casting/Melee
6. Understanding the strengths/weaknesses of other party members

There are a ton of things that are NOT included in this guide, and even though the advice is really good, it does not offer alot of things. 


Are you really missing the point. You can't have your cake and eat it too, not as a caster. You want to cast? take the time and build your prof properly in the arena, in the long run it's a LOT faster. Building that prof in cata takes so many extra climbs you are pointless. Mine as well strap on your HM gear and go heal full time..


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Aug 18 2010 08:44pm
Great guide Nick but I'd like to submit that casters with mediocre gear and/or <10 profs can improve their cata experience by putting some time into skilling to catch/cook fish and bring some glyphs along for the fun. I'd wager the time invested will pay off well and a few prof levels can be picked up in between soloing/cata runs easily enough. It's why I got started in skilling but obviously I kind of went overboard :O

I'd also suggest you repost this thread as a user blog and ask for it to be linked in the sticky guides thread if you incorporate any adjustments though, because of helpful advice like this:

Quote (izParagonzi @ Aug 18 2010 10:11pm)
The points made in this guide are good... no problem there.

It does not cover how to be effective in catacombs when:
1. A person has Sub standard gear
2. When a person wants to MQ and gain Profs at the same time, but does not want to spend their time in Arena
3. Utilise "Switchout" gear while cata'ing.
4. Conserving Mana based on the gear that person may have (nub to sub standard gear)
5. Recognising the monsters Defense vs Casting/Melee
6. Understanding the strengths/weaknesses of other party members

There are a ton of things that are NOT included in this guide, and even though the advice is really good, it does not offer alot of things.


Of course these things are not included because much of what you wrote goes beyond the scope of this guide AND fails to incorporate the fact that most newbies to cata casting don't have the luxury of a guild like yours where you know everyone and they don't mind carrying you along despite low profs and substandard equipment.

Just for you I'll post my responses in a format you can understand and hopefully take to heart :)

1) You can't be an effective in catacombs with subpar gear and a low prof, at best you'll be tolerated but the only people who will do that are friends or a guild who already knows you.
2) This is impossible. Period. Period period period, to quote you in..the..language..of...your...posting...style...
3) Why would any newbie casting in catacombs bring switchout gear when they are a newbie and likely only have one gear set.
4) They can conserve mana by not casting offensively in the first place until their prof is high enough. The prof makes all the difference because even with awesome gear you will still fail to megacrit often enough to bring enough damage to the table to justify your slot versus a meleer (even a mediocre melee player will beat out a weak offensive caster) or a healer.
5) You have monstervision?
6) Good luck doing in that in a random cata game where you don't know anyone. Do you have the time to interview everyone and stalk their gear/profs before playing?
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Aug 18 2010 08:51pm
Quote (FloppyWaffles @ Aug 17 2010 09:13pm)
i don't see how it's off. if 1 int is ~1 ee, where is there is an error. 3 posts just saying it's wrong won't help the cause lol


1 int = 1 ee is for lazy people

150 int is incredibly easy to reach with base + weapon + armor.
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Aug 18 2010 09:24pm
i had casted w/ 7-9 prof

ofc. i had these in my inven at all times:
max mana Robe / staff / Charm
Intel Staff / Robe / Charm

i did pretty good. If you want to cast w/ less than 10 prof, i suggest u get a set of : max mana robe + wep + charm, AND a set of Intel wep / robe (these 2 u shud have already...) and charm.
what my goal is is to just have a Intel charm on Main slot , dmg charm in acc slot at ALL times (no switching out max mana gear, as that annoys me) but im thinking thats gonna take minimum of 15 prof. maybe 20


e: ofc. when i casted, i didnt waste my mana on mobs w/ less than 5 mobs (1-4 = staff hitting, 5-9 = casting until 4 or less monsters are alive then back to stick hitting)

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Well created guide :)
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Quote (Cylon @ Aug 19 2010 02:44pm)
Just for you I'll post my responses in a format you can understand and hopefully take to heart :)

1) You can't be an effective in catacombs with subpar gear and a low prof, at best you'll be tolerated but the only people who will do that are friends or a guild who already knows you.
2) This is impossible. Period. Period period period, to quote you in..the..language..of...your...posting...style...
3) Why would any newbie casting in catacombs bring switchout gear when they are a newbie and likely only have one gear set.
4) They can conserve mana by not casting offensively in the first place until their prof is high enough. The prof makes all the difference because even with awesome gear you will still fail to megacrit often enough to bring enough damage to the table to justify your slot versus a meleer (even a mediocre melee player will beat out a weak offensive caster) or a healer.
5) You have monstervision?
6) Good luck doing in that in a random cata game where you don't know anyone. Do you have the time to interview everyone and stalk their gear/profs before playing?


I believe that comment about our guild is a compliment, thank you... it is great being part of a guild that endeavours to aid those that want to play a fun game.
And I also like the people that have helped me along the way... thanks.

:lol: nothing here to take into heart... but, written nonetheless...

#1 to #6... basically I study my environment to help me identify my weakness either in a team or solo'ing... this also let's me notice other things like other characters in the team and also the monster damage/weakness.

Once again, this is a Nice guide (third time I have said this), but I just feel it is lacking certain things... I am just being Radical.


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