Quote (DanDoing @ Aug 19 2010 12:51pm)
Yes this is an Elitist group that climbs as you say and for approx.. 80% if not more of slashers are not even close to being good enough for this guild to even consider playing with, but the advise they give is usually quite good. The proficiency that you gain in cata's is extremely low. The guide didn't mention that part but jump on a few vents and you can hear all about it. The aiding of the party a little bit is just that with 5 prof you would probably aid more with melee setup on you mage and still heal a little too.
Quote (Snickrz @ Aug 19 2010 01:10pm)
I beg to differ... I have 7 proof on my caster and I find I'm either healing more then casting and therefore wacking for no damage with my intell weapon. Or I cast and only cast at waves 6+ to conserve my mana, and therefore the rest of the time again, I'm wacking monsters with my int weapon, thus still doing damage that doesn't even begin to compare with a decent melee person the the group. Unless it's a warlock chances are your caster doesn't have enough mana to effectively heal and cast. I have average gear and 7.25 prof. I do not consider myself as effective in cata. I will only get into a cata if there are 4 guildies that need a 5th. They are perfectly aware of the fact that I can't deal damage and before you tell me that I'm not effective because some of my guild members have elite gear, does not mean all of us do. I KNOW I lack in the "effective" department so it drives me to solo in the arena until I do
Quote (DeafBoy @ Aug 19 2010 01:19pm)
The point of this thread isn't about talking how to plot a motive to play with crappy prof in catacombs.
This thread is about how casters are most effective in catacombs. And gaining the most prof you can is the answer.
So take your grinding philosophies to some other thread where you can discuss how you want to play with crappy prof with crappy gear.
The points made in this guide are good... no problem there.
It does not cover how to be effective in catacombs when:
1. A person has Sub standard gear
2. When a person wants to MQ and gain Profs at the same time, but does not want to spend their time in Arena
3. Utilise "Switchout" gear while cata'ing.
4. Conserving Mana based on the gear that person may have (nub to sub standard gear)
5. Recognising the monsters Defense vs Casting/Melee
6. Understanding the strengths/weaknesses of other party members
There are a ton of things that are NOT included in this guide, and even though the advice is really good, it does not offer alot of things.
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Dexterity:
Minimum 90
Maximum 120
Simple... I like 90 minimum, and that is also the same when it comes to Intelligence when casting (w8ing on the slam)
As I stated before... it is a "Nice Guide", but that is all it is... "Nice"
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Edit: @ Deafboy...
I just loved that table and description of people... I can be a number of those at times... all based on my mood at the time.
So... I will label myself as a person that only plays, does not upgrade that often because I am stingy, know the BASICS of the game and try to improve my speed by utilising what I have on hand, while imposing my opinions and ideas on others... but... just let them die because they are just suggestions... they are either liked or not... but I do get a laugh at many comments and posts while I fish for certain responses.
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Quote (Snickrz @ Aug 19 2010 02:24pm)
Are you really missing the point. You can't have your cake and eat it too, not as a caster. You want to cast? take the time and build your prof properly in the arena, in the long run it's a LOT faster. Building that prof in cata takes so many extra climbs you are pointless. Mine as well strap on your HM gear and go heal full time..
My comments are not based on what I want to do, it is based on the fact that there are others that play just to MQ in catas for drops to improve their gear
Get more GPs for their guild, compete with other guild members, trying to complete a guild competition and much more...
I know all well about gaining Ranks... I got from Rank0 to Rank7 in Ice within 28 gaming hours, I also did not do my first MQ until I was rank10 in Sword and many other things...
This post was edited by izParagonzi on Aug 18 2010 08:39pm