In response to the portions in red, respectively:

Ok, and if the person doesn't care if they lose their trustworthiness among the community? They get to slide with all of the fg they stole, most times, since LS theft isn't considered scamming in the SA forums, and most times people aren't locked for it. There's this personality disorder I've heard of before, I think it might have been called psychopathy, some people have it, and most of the time you can't tell, because they're experienced at what they do, they've probably been doing it for a while.

That's what this post is mainly about, when people accidentally do something that destroys an item, or something happens in Real Life, that takes them away from jsp for a couple of days, weeks, or even months (illnesses, grounding, the like). Shit happens, that's part of what a lending system would be designed to account for.

Before 1.18.1 happened, was the game about casting in catacombs? was it ever? Not that I've ever heard of or witnessed, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm sure I could think of many more examples if this one doesn't suffice. Games change. Gameplay changes.

This is true, but it is not always the case, and humans, of course, are capable of lying, and some do it better than others.

It isn't about understanding how the game works, it's about understanding how the game COULD work.

This post was edited by kickassjoe on Feb 17 2010 10:53pm

if you lending to complete random's and this happens well then yeah u might need it (dunno why you would trust a complete random)
if you lending this to a friend or guildly and the only thing u can think of when the person is away from jsp as he is sick, ill, grounded or death is "OMG I CANT GET MY ITEM BACK"......

man when u have friends or guildies like this..... who need enemies??

This post was edited by deanjones145 on Feb 17 2010 11:01pm

kickassjoe, try not to take this the wrong way, but...

"Take the Trust out of the game, as building Trust is too hard."

I like it, has a nice ring to it. And by the rest of your reasoning, it's quite obvious there should be a system in place that says that if I die, or go afk a certain period of time, my gear should all default to somebody. My guild owner, Paul, you? No, fuck you all, I hope it rots on my account. I earned it, I acquired it, it's MINE. Not yours. What YOU are talking about is the ability to dip YOUR hand into ANOTHER PERSON'S gear stash. That is WRONG.

When you send an item, or sell an item, it's for KEEPS. If you choose to send a person gear on the expectation you will receive it back, you're placing trust in them. If you're wrong, bite the bullet and take it like a man. Just like real life (you know, that game with the wonderful graphics, outstanding sound effects, but semi-shitty plot and horrible lack of softcore?).

The changes this would effect on the game, the item economy, the market, and people's ability to effectively learn to build their own characters would be 99% negative. And the other 1%? Those are people who'd never need or want this anyway, because they do it constantly with eachother, never an issue, and no problems arise. Choose better those you trust?



Good to know. You should be a rock by now. Whomever she is, hit it mate.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 17 2010 11:14pm

Nah, to much coding, would probably have some very big initial glitches costing people tons of FG/Items.

I prefer the original idea of "There's no such thing as scamming in Ladder Slasher."

Badidea/10.

You can do that already, you can already dip your hand into someone else's "gear stash." I think it might be along the lines of a guild item transfer, or multiple guild item transfers. Maybe your life has a semi-shitty plot, but I like my plot just fine. But what you're basically saying here, is that you acquired your gear, it's yours, and you don't trust anyone, since you don't believe that anyone should be able to use your gear, you are the only one good enough to use it.

When you send an item, or sell an item, it's for KEEPS, except when it's not, and you actually expected it back, but only 1% of people do anyways. We still don't even need this feature, it'd only let 99% of people have a worse experience in the game, by letting them use items they'd normally not be able to test until they have thoroughly invested into the game. That's what I got from that anyways.

Also, basically what you're saying is that you don't care if people get scammed, they just shouldn't have trusted the person they let their item to. It's not ALWAYS a case of trust, the person borrowing may have fully intended to give the item back.

This post was edited by kickassjoe on Feb 17 2010 11:47pm

this is an important point.
if you play on hardcore only with lend gear you dont lose anything if you die then.. because you cant lose the lend gear ;-)
simple abuse: we are 2 friends.. i lend my gear to you and you lend your gear to me ^^ and we are both save. this wont bring us a hc ladder reset if we die from time to time.. but at least we dont lose gear.
but i understand your point and it would be nice ofc to be save in lending out items to anyone.. you even could implement a "lending fee" (5% to chief :-) or something like that.. so you could even get some money for lending items.. or just make it for 1 fg to guildies. i am not sure if this could be realised.. if people get creative options they are even more creative to abuse them.

OMG.. to all those who said 'No'

Shame on you all.. go buy 100k plus in gear and lend it out and then come back and vote.. you'll have a change of heart.

EDIT: And Paul, I would pay FG for the use of this feature.. I am sure I am not the only one!

This post was edited by kaspir on Feb 18 2010 06:37am

lol shame on you for size 7 I just don't understand why you are all a bunch of e-vjeejees. You invest fg into this game don't you handle your investment with care?

I mean if you are worried about your gear going away, don't lend it out for once. And just look when you shrine and delete items and you have nothing to worry about.

If people aren't able to comply with these simple steps, well maybe you should look for some reimbursed tuition because somewhere along the lines something went massively wrong...

I mean people that play SC are mainly crying about this, I have several 100k's worth of gear invested in my hardcore setup if I have to start worrying about people deleting it besides ripping it I mean whatthebuck

*I believe you are all missing the positive here, because you are all listing the negatives like what if people rip IRL with my gear, what if the scam me, what if the never return to JSP, what if they are locked up, what if they delete/shrine it.

I mean this is the internet and trust is always an iffy subject/question here, but the moment you put your trust in people is where you build relationships that can either last your period on this forum or even outside this forum. I would say the relations we all build in this game are more of a base to play this game than all the items and/or fg in the world. Because clicking since 2007 without interaction and/or friends would just be mental

So my words of wisdom on the matter.

This post was edited by benell on Feb 18 2010 07:06am

yes!!!!!