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Jun 22 2011 12:48am
Quote (StealinHerHeart @ Jun 22 2011 12:27am)
Well, after reading this entire :flamethrower: Flame topic (because that's what it is). I must say that even though the "chances" of an item being sniped are slim it is STILL a possibility. As far as Raf being a scammer, I think your dead wrong on that. Is he a bit (OK a Lot) arrogant? YES. Is he an asshole? YES. But a scammer? Not at all. Yes he is a close personal friend of mine and I am going to defend him in this. You both should have just paid the fee, and there wouldn't have been this problem. I can tell you right now that this staff is not located anywhere in trust vaults, or even in former trust vaults. The fact of the matter is (though you might feel differently) Transactions over MP (sniped or not) are not considered scams.
Also I am sure that when Raf gets on he can show his gold logs and you will see where he sold it and you missed it. Your loss not his.


I have certainly considered the option of someone ' actually sniping it '

However, there is only ONE of TWO options that occured.

Option 1: Rafaels told someone to snipe it, put it up before he told me 'up' and got someone to buy it --> a pure scam, which it certainly looks like.

The only other option...

Option 2: Rafaels had received my fg, took little care if putting my item on the market and informing me, and opened up a window for it to be sniped, and cared not that i didnt get my item, as long as he got my fg. Because the way the MP x fer works, there is only 1/2 a second where it's in no-man's land, and with 40 people, none of who are aware of what's happening, there is a 0% chance of it being snipped.

--> Furthermore, i DIDN'T even see it, Rafaels claim was that in the 0.2 seconds he hit 'enter' and sent me the message UP and my eyes registering his message and me pushing 'search' that it had been sniped. It's not like i saw the staff on the market, got it in the box and an error showed up.

It's simply impossible.

Option 1: He scammed me.

Option 2: He screwed me over, took my fg, and put my item on the open market purposely with absolutely no regard for my end of the deal.

In the end, it was 100% Rafaels fault the staff was not received me, there was a 0.2 second margin of error on my mind, and i would bet anything that it cannot be randomly sniped in such a time frame.

Furthermore, to completely deny ANY liability, when using MP x fer WAS HIS IDEA, and his fault, one way or the other for losing the staff, to not even split the loss 1/2 and 1/2 and send me back at least some fg, instead he said, in the worst english possible for a grown human being, to basically go fuck myself, that apparently it was my fault.


No. Tim, Erich speaks highly of you, i like you too, but to stand by a man like that is just embarassing. He has no integrity, and no intelligence.
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Jun 22 2011 12:54am
sry for your loss
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Jun 22 2011 12:55am
It sounds like you made a mistake.

I'm honestly surprised this thread is still open...
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Jun 22 2011 12:55am
Quote (TooNArmY @ 21 Jun 2011 22:41)
Yes, i've paid thousands and thousands in fees on many many many trade, but i couldn't really afford it at the time, so i settled for a solution.

I dont deny i tried to skip the fee, and for that, i got scammed, i dont deny that, and if you read, i said i'm partially to blame.

But it doesn't void the fact that i have indeed been scammed.


read this from first page... ummm how is rafael 100% to blame now? thats not giving you partial blame :P
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Jun 22 2011 12:59am
Quote (TooNArmY @ 22 Jun 2011 00:48)
I have certainly considered the option of someone ' actually sniping it '

However, there is only ONE of TWO options that occured.

Option 1: Rafaels told someone to snipe it, put it up before he told me 'up' and got someone to buy it --> a pure scam, which it certainly looks like.

The only other option...

Option 2: Rafaels had received my fg, took little care if putting my item on the market and informing me, and opened up a window for it to be sniped, and cared not that i didnt get my item, as long as he got my fg. Because the way the MP x fer works, there is only 1/2 a second where it's in no-man's land, and with 40 people, none of who are aware of what's happening, there is a 0% chance of it being snipped.

--> Furthermore, i DIDN'T even see it, Rafaels claim was that in the 0.2 seconds he hit 'enter' and sent me the message UP and my eyes registering his message and me pushing 'search' that it had been sniped. It's not like i saw the staff on the market, got it in the box and an error showed up.

It's simply impossible.

Option 1: He scammed me.

Option 2: He screwed me over, took my fg, and put my item on the open market purposely with absolutely no regard for my end of the deal.

In the end, it was 100% Rafaels fault the staff was not received me, there was a 0.2 second margin of error on my mind, and i would bet anything that it cannot be randomly sniped in such a time frame.

Furthermore, to completely deny ANY liability, when using MP x fer WAS HIS IDEA, and his fault, one way or the other for losing the staff, to not even split the loss 1/2 and 1/2 and send me back at least some fg, instead he said, in the worst english possible for a grown human being, to basically go fuck myself, that apparently it was my fault.


No. Tim, Erich speaks highly of you, i like you too, but to stand by a man like that is just embarassing. He has no integrity, and no intelligence.


Oh now I realize who you actually are. Next time I'm up in Edmonton come out for a drink with Erich Kat and myself and, how bout this, I'll tell you personally just how much of an idiot you are for thinking that it wasn't your fault at all. I stated (quite clearly) that someone at random grabbing that item was slim. It is however, NOT an impossibility. Raf has no reason to scam anyone for FG if you had any idea how much that man works and how much he makes, you would know this. He's a business owner and requires integrity and ethics in the real world. He brings it with him to the LS community as well. Scam you?? As I said I highly doubt that. You got the short end of the proverbial stick. Someone sniped a godly item (and got lucky doing it) and hid it in their vault until the heat dies down.

This is MY opinion and as such is meant as just that, MINE.
Once again you lost out by bending the rules to your own needs. Sorry for your loss. It is after all, just pixels.
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Jun 22 2011 01:03am
Scams can't occur in Ladder Slasher, this has been said several times.
I'm sorry if you didn't get an item you really wanted but you can't accuse someone to have scammed you due to my first sentence.
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Quote (FatZero @ Jun 22 2011 02:08am)
I don't have the PM anymore, but why would I outwardly lie about something easily verifiable about him? I've seen plenty of people suspended for "lying" when it comes to moderator actions.


All intensity aside I like how people are citing the rules on this.

Do you honestly think that:

A. The site only uses the rules to inflict suspensions, warns, locked tags, or scammer tags?  They make decisions based on your actions and intent and not every rule is published, that I promise you.

B. That they created a tax system but allow for people to think of creative ways to exploit it?


You can't be that new or naive you think this practice is okay, this site was created on integrity, not loopholes.


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Quote (StealinHerHeart @ Jun 22 2011 02:59am)
Oh now I realize who you actually are. Next time I'm up in Edmonton come out for a drink with Erich Kat and myself and, how bout this, I'll tell you personally just how much of an idiot you are for thinking that it wasn't your fault at all. I stated (quite clearly) that someone at random grabbing that item was slim. It is however, NOT an impossibility. Raf has no reason to scam anyone for FG if you had any idea how much that man works and how much he makes, you would know this. He's a business owner and requires integrity and ethics in the real world. He brings it with him to the LS community as well. Scam you?? As I said I highly doubt that. You got the short end of the proverbial stick. Someone sniped a godly item (and got lucky doing it) and hid it in their vault until the heat dies down.

This is MY opinion and as such is meant as just that, MINE.
Once again you lost out by bending the rules to your own needs. Sorry for your loss. It is after all, just pixels.


Kaspir is creating a revolution on this forum.

Watch out guys people are kicking ass and eating cheese steak.

This post was edited by sir_lance_bb on Jun 22 2011 01:06am
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Jun 22 2011 01:05am
Quote (StealinHerHeart @ Jun 22 2011 12:59am)
Oh now I realize who you actually are. Next time I'm up in Edmonton come out for a drink with Erich Kat and myself and, how bout this, I'll tell you personally just how much of an idiot you are for thinking that it wasn't your fault at all. I stated (quite clearly) that someone at random grabbing that item was slim. It is however, NOT an impossibility. Raf has no reason to scam anyone for FG if you had any idea how much that man works and how much he makes, you would know this. He's a business owner and requires integrity and ethics in the real world. He brings it with him to the LS community as well. Scam you?? As I said I highly doubt that. You got the short end of the proverbial stick. Someone sniped a godly item (and got lucky doing it) and hid it in their vault until the heat dies down.

This is MY opinion and as such is meant as just that, MINE.
Once again you lost out by bending the rules to your own needs. Sorry for your loss. It is after all, just pixels.


Words of an ethical business man that presents himself like he does:

Quote (Rafaels @ Jun 20 2011 10:24pm)

love how you QQ its like your 12  :ROFL: but at the same time maybe you should look at who's relay at fault !

YOU  WERE THE ONE TRYING TO BE CHEAP NEXT TIME BUY THE FUCKING ITEM AT THE PRICE OFFERED YOU RETARD!!!  IN STED OF BEING A CHEAP FUCKING FAGGOT  !



??

And Tim, if you think someone searched for a 200+ ee staff in the less than a second it should've been on the market for, in a game that had 40 users logged on, who had no idea of what was going on, and had olympic reflexes to put in the 'buy' box and buy it without even being in shock or reading the stats in less than half a second is realistic, you're delusional.

If it was on the market for more than 1-2 seconds, Rafaels is greatly to blame, as he took no care in transferring the item to me, and to completely deny any liability and to make such a statement, proves the opposite of how you speak of him.
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Quote (StealinHerHeart @ 22 Jun 2011 07:59)
Oh now I realize who you actually are. Next time I'm up in Edmonton come out for a drink with Erich Kat and myself and, how bout this, I'll tell you personally just how much of an idiot you are for thinking that it wasn't your fault at all. I stated (quite clearly) that someone at random grabbing that item was slim. It is however, NOT an impossibility. Raf has no reason to scam anyone for FG if you had any idea how much that man works and how much he makes, you would know this. He's a business owner and requires integrity and ethics in the real world. He brings it with him to the LS community as well. Scam you?? As I said I highly doubt that. You got the short end of the proverbial stick. Someone sniped a godly item (and got lucky doing it) and hid it in their vault until the heat dies down.

This is MY opinion and as such is meant as just that, MINE.
Once again you lost out by bending the rules to your own needs. Sorry for your loss. It is after all, just pixels.


I agreed with you until this post. Let me show you why without trying to add gasoline to an already raging fire.

You state here that;
He's a business owner and requires integrity and ethics in the real world.

However, previously you state that;

Quote (StealinHerHeart @ 22 Jun 2011 07:27)
Well, after reading this entire :flamethrower: Flame topic (because that's what it is). I must say that even though the "chances" of an item being sniped are slim it is STILL a possibility. As far as Raf being a scammer, I think your dead wrong on that. Is he a bit (OK a Lot) arrogant? YES. Is he an asshole? YES. But a scammer? Not at all. Yes he is a close personal friend of mine and I am going to defend him in this. You both should have just paid the fee, and there wouldn't have been this problem. I can tell you right now that this staff is not located anywhere in trust vaults, or even in former trust vaults. The fact of the matter is (though you might feel differently) Transactions over MP (sniped or not) are not considered scams.
Also I am sure that when Raf gets on he can show his gold logs and you will see where he sold it and you missed it. Your loss not his.


So what kind of ethics can a man like this have? (Retorical question)
I do not know him personally but all I can say is a business man would know to give himself a good image. If he actually has all that money and good ethics (such a touchy subject ;) ) then why did he not offer at least 25% of the price back? That is the least a "business" man would do to encourge future business. This is common knowledge.

I will not judge until I hear Raf's story, but from the PMs I've seen on this topic it doesn't look very good.

This post was edited by Deadreborn on Jun 22 2011 01:08am
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Quote (sir_lance_bb @ Jun 22 2011 07:03pm)
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Was my first thought when he said that hahah.

Ahh, the old days, of when I was too scared to even sign up on this site because it was the ghetto side of d2.
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