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Dec 13 2010 11:43pm
Quote (Boss @ Dec 14 2010 01:37am)
i think its pretty foolish to think there are classes that cant cast
only class i wont bother to cast is headhunter
because i dont have lightnings and the mana is horrible
my gear is not even close to sc quality on hc but i have a great caster for every class


There are certainly people that can cast effectively on any class. However, many many people can't but still insist on doing it. I realize that they are doing the best they can. I heard a great solution in vent today. Change splash casting so it can only be done on chars that are meant to be casters(mage/warlock/alchemist). If you want to cast on other classes, then cast, but you won't be able to splash. I think this is a great solution personally. However, I'm sure there are others out there and probably ones even more effective.

Edit:

As far as "foolish" goes. It's possible for an alchemist to melee, doesn't make it a good idea.

This post was edited by HoR_Rahl on Dec 13 2010 11:43pm
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Dec 13 2010 11:54pm
Quote (HoR_Rahl @ Dec 14 2010 12:43am)
There are certainly people that can cast effectively on any class. However, many many people can't but still insist on doing it. I realize that they are doing the best they can. I heard a great solution in vent today. Change splash casting so it can only be done on chars that are meant to be casters(mage/warlock/alchemist). If you want to cast on other classes, then cast, but you won't be able to splash. I think this is a great solution personally. However, I'm sure there are others out there and probably ones even more effective.

Edit:

As far as "foolish" goes.  It's possible for an alchemist to melee, doesn't make it a good idea.


if theres one thing i noticed paul doesnt really generalize his characters
he wont say warlock is a casting class and that makes sense to me.
because everyone who plays the game should be able to do it how they like
usually people who hafve shitty gear and cant cast chars like ninja and stuff are usually the people that dont get to climb with the "good" people anyway

This post was edited by Boss on Dec 13 2010 11:54pm
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Dec 14 2010 12:26am
Quote (HoR_Rahl @ Dec 14 2010 06:43pm)
There are certainly people that can cast effectively on any class. However, many many people can't but still insist on doing it. I realize that they are doing the best they can. I heard a great solution in vent today. Change splash casting so it can only be done on chars that are meant to be casters(mage/warlock/alchemist). If you want to cast on other classes, then cast, but you won't be able to splash. I think this is a great solution personally. However, I'm sure there are others out there and probably ones even more effective.

Edit:

As far as "foolish" goes. It's possible for an alchemist to melee, doesn't make it a good idea.


That is a good idea, thus leaving the Samurai / Paladin to be pure melee... would the Monk / Ninja be subject to that change?

How about that the character class has to have a minimum of 20 base intelligence before splatter casting?

In 1.16 I suggested that there be "Counterclass" characters, some could not heal, but ONLY cast, some others fit in the same category for healing.
Maybe I will revive that suggestion with some changes...

I personally am not a pro at casting, but, my build gives me cause to be more than adequate and also heal... maybe those that choose to pick
Barb for casting, should just heal up everyone... anyway... some good points made
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Dec 14 2010 01:00am
Quote (Shannon @ Dec 13 2010 09:21pm)
I never said my experience is better than his, did I?  Please do show me where I said that.

I post the most anti-criticism? Yay, thanks! Guess that makes me a glass half full type of gal huh.

You dont have to play this game. Noone has ever been asked to spend "thousands" of dollars worse of real money on this game. It is your choice. Play the game, don't play the game - just don't troll others and whine like a bitter little person about it.


clearly, you missed the point of my post. you implied, by taking a step out and "criticizing" his experience in this game, that you DO have extensive experience here.

glass half full doesn't change anything by the way. and the biggest reason many of us still linger here is because we have companions with whom we have shared plenty of good times and laughs with. the second biggest reason is because we are hoping that the "update part 2" will make this game (that we've spent an indecent amount of hours within) as much fun as it used to be.

the reason i quit diablo 2 is because the deeper i got, the less fun it became. it used to be the exact opposite with this game. now i can barely bring myself to launch the game.
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Quote (FloppyWaffles @ Dec 14 2010 08:00pm)
clearly, you missed the point of my post. you implied, by taking a step out and "criticizing" his experience in this game, that you DO have extensive experience here.

glass half full doesn't change anything by the way. and the biggest reason many of us still linger here is because we have companions with whom we have shared plenty of good times and laughs with. the second biggest reason is because we are hoping that the "update part 2" will make this game (that we've spent an indecent amount of hours within) as much fun as it used to be.

the reason i quit diablo 2 is because the deeper i got, the less fun it became. it used to be the exact opposite with this game. now i can barely bring myself to launch the game.


No, I didn't. I'm very shy with the amount of experience I have with this game, and certainly the gear I use. I wouldn't go out of my way to put someone else down when i'm so nervous about my own. As I said, I was "confused" as to how he would have really have been able to get a full feeling/give a review of this patch with that much experience. I truly don't believe he has had enough experience to really get the real feel of this update yet. That does not "imply" that I think I have "extensive experience". I would never, ever, say I have "extensive experience" of this game. Nor do any of my posts "imply" that. So if you would - Retract your statement! Kind Sir! ;)

I have no qualms about anybody lingering here as long as they don't come in and continue to gripe and be negative. It's getting old, and really boring.

As for you missing the old game - for how many years has this game been around? How often has it changed? How many times has Paul said it will continue to do so. I guess maybe i'm lucky and came in while changes were going on, so it isn't a huge drastic change for me. I certainly don't miss the old LS - I remember Philo trying to get me to play it when I was in AlcoholTM guild. Was so lonely and boring!! ..yet some of the legends would say that was the best time. It is different for everyone.

I may be newb, but even I know to fear every update now. God knows what's going to be nerfed, and is that 10k I just spent on an item going to now be worth 2k? God knows.. Paul knows.. :p Only think we can be certain of is change.
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Dec 14 2010 01:35am
Quote (Shannon @ Dec 14 2010 02:32am)
No, I didn't. I'm very shy with the amount of experience I have with this game, and certainly the gear I use. I wouldn't go out of my way to put someone else down when i'm so nervous about my own. As I said, I was "confused" as to how he would have really have been able to get a full feeling/give a review of this patch with that much experience. I truly don't believe he has had enough experience to really get the real feel of this update yet. That does not "imply" that I think I have "extensive experience". I would never, ever, say I have "extensive experience" of this game. Nor do any of my posts "imply" that. So if you would - Retract your statement! Kind Sir!  ;)

I have no qualms about anybody lingering here as long as they don't come in and continue to gripe and be negative. It's getting old, and really boring.

As for you missing the old game - for how many years has this game been around? How often has it changed? How many times has Paul said it will continue to do so. I guess maybe i'm lucky and came in while changes were going on, so it isn't a huge drastic change for me. I certainly don't miss the old LS - I remember Philo trying to get me to play it when I was in AlcoholTM guild. Was so lonely and boring!!  ..yet some of the legends would say that was the best time. It is different for everyone.

I may be newb, but even I know to fear every update now. God knows what's going to be nerfed, and is that 10k I just spent on an item going to now be worth 2k?  God knows.. Paul knows..  :p  Only think we can be certain of is change.


Don't worry I spent 180k on a charm and now it's a sbrineable
And it only gives good life at level 1-5
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Dec 14 2010 04:58am
Quote (Boss @ Dec 14 2010 01:35am)
Don't worry I spent 180k on a charm and now it's a sbrineable
And it only gives good life at level 1-5


you spent 180k on this?!?
Mythical wild heal IV
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+285 Max Mana
+3 Critical Strike
+1 to 10 Mana per Kill
+1% Glancing Blow
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Dec 14 2010 05:30am
Quote (akiro_21 @ Dec 14 2010 05:58am)
you spent 180k on this?!?
Mythical wild heal IV
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Mana Cost: 29

+217 Max Life
+285 Max Mana
+3 Critical Strike
+1 to 10 Mana per Kill
+1% Glancing Blow


He sure did.
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Dec 14 2010 06:04am
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Lance is here laying down the law.


Lance is a twit

Quote (Boss @ Dec 14 2010 01:37am)
i think its pretty foolish to think there are classes that cant cast
only class i wont bother to cast is headhunter
because i dont have lightnings and the mana is horrible
my gear is not even close to sc quality on hc but i have a great caster for every class


OK I will grant that this may be a valid point, but if you want melee noobs to be splash-casters, then the true powercasters should also be able to do massive melee damage with their weapons..


Come on here!! What is meat for the goose should be sauce for the gander

This post was edited by Paparick on Dec 14 2010 06:13am
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Dec 14 2010 06:16am
Quote (HoR_Rahl @ 14 Dec 2010 06:43)
There are certainly people that can cast effectively on any class. However, many many people can't but still insist on doing it. I realize that they are doing the best they can. I heard a great solution in vent today. Change splash casting so it can only be done on chars that are meant to be casters(mage/warlock/alchemist). If you want to cast on other classes, then cast, but you won't be able to splash. I think this is a great solution personally. However, I'm sure there are others out there and probably ones even more effective.

Edit:

As far as "foolish" goes.  It's possible for an alchemist to melee, doesn't make it a good idea.


Quote (jaywalker @ 12 Dec 2010 10:09)
Imo yes. But only mages/wl/alc should be able to splash in general.


Mentioned it a few times before aswell. But yeah, would be sexy imo. Even though quite a few people would ragequit if this happened.

Mythical sapphire axe
Level Req: 30
Damage: 56 to 67

+44 Intelligence
+493 Max Mana
+6 Life Regen
+1 to 4 Life per Attack
+1% Damage Return

Would be nice if you want to cast on a HH, but you would have to get hold of a certain person and switch to SC (boss) :)
IN general I would rather get rid of the noobcastersammys than keep those that are good (and rarely keep a heal charm). Would bring bank the value of melee aswell, atleast I think so.

This post was edited by jaywalker on Dec 14 2010 06:18am
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