Again rex doesnt know whats going on...


TDs allow you to find better tier items at a lower level because you are fighting higher level monsters. This event increases the amount the monster lvl is boosted by 400%. So one TD is now like 4 TD.

This post was edited by Cheeya on Feb 4 2021 09:14pm

Trap door monster level was generally assumed to add 1-3 levels to monsters per TD. 400% would make it add an assumed 4 levels. Multiple TDs would boost it more. Monster level doesn't necessarily increase difficulty by a set time amount. Entirely gear dependent. A high ee and stat set could still let you clear in a semi reasonable time. Bufcore/crap gear will absolutely increase kill time exponentially as you are doing the same actions in a timespan, but not actually killing anything and regenning at a slow pace and likely without shrines

Not to mention monsters heal themselves. If you can't outdamage their heals, it's infinitely increased

This post was edited by FloppyWaffles on Feb 4 2021 09:21pm

do you know all of what 400% minimum trap door monster events entail and if that could possibly affect the drop rate?

So.... you don't actually know then? HMMM Well Time ot put in the man hours woot woot!

You miss the point like a baby that wants to reach for the bottle that is in front of that baby.

4x HARDER TO KILL mobs meaning 4x FASTER KILLING MORE MONSTERS FOR MORE DROPS... come on... you think you know shit, well I agree... that is all you know... $hit.

So let us think about this more respectively:

You kill 4 mobs = 4x more chances of drops and 4 times more chances of finding a good item in the same time as: (this TD event)
Killing 1 monster in the same time with a POSSIBLE (but NOT confirmed DROP quality or DROP %)?

Honestly... fuck doing the TD, just remake so you can kill off 3x faster and have 3x more drops in the same time you will take killing 1 monster in a TD with 400% diffuculty... and that is NOT including the BASE difficulty of that monster WITHOUT the TD +400% addition... so is it 5x... 6x??? do you know????

Assumptions based on the gear you use and the builds you play. You admitted yourself that you don't play for speed, so who's to say that other, efficient builds don't give a better return?

Actually it isn't based on what I use or the builds I play.

I don't play for speed, that is 100% CORRECT, but I can say with 100% certainty that I DON'T gain more Prof points killing TD waves.

I can also state for a FACT that the drops DON'T have better quality. BUT, YES BUT, I can state that the Tier (level) drop IS INCREASED.

Now you have to decide for YOURSELF if it is WORTH spending 3 times more effort when you can kill 3 time more monsters faster with the same drop ratio / quality????

Your choice... this is not a debate... you think for yourself and come up with the PROOF YOURSELF... don't talk shit, just push the same shit uphill.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Feb 4 2021 09:37pm

State for a fact that u don't get better prof... You can observe this I agree with you on.


State for a fact that drops aren't better simply isn't true because there are so many more variables and a huge amount of rng involved. Drops down tds could be 10x better and even so you might not even notice unless you've done 1000s of climbs. You also said you haven't even bothered to test so again there are no facts right right? Just pure opinion.


Everything you're saying is what it appears to be however if it takes 3x the effort and time but the drop rate is 10x better you probably wouldn't even notice just based on how hard it is to find items and therefore mathematically speaking would be better to run trapdoors. We don't know the numbers so all we can do is say we don't like it.

Rephrase: Based on testing TDs' in the past, I have come to a conclusion that it is better to stick with Kill speed over the 1-3% chance of gaining a better drop item whether it be higher tier level of Stat nature (EE, Str/Dex etc) because the Tier item that did(does) drop doesn't mean it is of a Tier level high enough to be effective. (This includes using Magic Luck gear).

Don't take my word for it, that is all good, as I stated previously... test it out for yourself, personally, I would NOT waste my time killing off a monster or more in a TD that takes 3 or 4 times longer for the CHANCE to get the same drops when I could have killed 3 or 4 times more monsters in the same timeframe gaining more prof points... I am a prof hunter... basically I would spend that time killing a Well monster gaining more prof faster than killing a TD monster that is 4 times harder to kill with less prof gain or drop quality and quantity.

Up to you... you decide... just my 2 cents worth unless Paul can specifically STATE that a TD monster @ 400% minimum etc has higher drop quality / quantity when killed... hopefully also increasing the prof gain %.

In order for you to KNOW this information you would have to have done many trapdoor climbs in several different ways which would amount 100s if not 1000s of climbs and then you could say that your data is conclusive. You had a handful of climbs last season and it lasted what 5-7 years? Then you said you didn't like doing it so obviously you probably only did it once or twice.

None of the information you give about the game helps. I feel the same way and so do most that trapdoors are a waste of time but I DON'T KNOW THIS which is why I'm having fun with this event and trying to enjoy the mystery.

Quit making up whatever. No one knows if it is the same chance for drops and drop quality therefor we don't know if it's "a waste of time" and even if it was there is still the fun factor and this is a game after all right?

Maybe can tell us if the quality of items increases with trapdoors and these trapdoor events. That would save us all a lot of hearsay wall of texts.

Paul hasn't even come back to why people have 8 character max... what makes you think he will be nice and produce information that is relevant to us minor players.

I have done more TD runs than you think when I came back... they still show the same results, BUT... I am glad you want to test it out for yourself, as I stated before.... don't take my word on it (well similar wording), test it for yourself, and I hope you enjoy that time doing so, also... wish you the best of luck and hope you find something of great importance during this EVENT.