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Mar 18 2012 10:36am
Quote (malleus @ Mar 18 2012 11:33am)
i hope u see difference between additional gps and faster climb  ^_^


The faster the climb the more climbs someone can do and the more gps they can do.

Let me break it down like this:

Glitch MM:

Don't have to explore a huge map.
Don't have to fight hard monsters. (the final part)
More gps in a shorter amount of time.

Doing a run with full no-explore:

Don't have to explore a huge map.
Don't have to fight hard monsters. (evil presences)
More gps in a shorter amount of time.

So again should everyone that has ever done a full black climb have their gps reset?
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Mar 18 2012 10:41am
Quote (Mikol @ Mar 18 2012 12:36pm)
The faster the climb the more climbs someone can do and the more gps they can do.

Let me break it down like this:

Glitch MM:

Don't have to explore a huge map.
Don't have to fight hard monsters. (the final part)
More gps in a shorter amount of time.

Doing a run with full no-explore:

Don't have to explore a huge map.
Don't have to fight hard monsters. (evil presences)
More gps in a shorter amount of time.

So again should everyone that has ever done a full black climb have their gps reset?


running black is part of the game design, hence why there are no eps or quests if you stay black
i have never done mm due to the fact it takes 4 hours to even have a chance, why is it fair that i spent 10k in gear to do mm
where someone can use tier 3 gear to accomplish the same thing

This post was edited by LabattBlue on Mar 18 2012 10:41am
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Mar 18 2012 10:41am
Quote (Mikol @ Mar 18 2012 09:28am)
Glitching ambush: Faster levels and the whites you find are rediculous. Problem not solved.
Glitching XP quests: You level ALOT faster, you have been gone too long I think.
Selling items over MP / Having a guildy leave your guild to get the item from another guild: Saves hundreds of thousands of FG in fees.

So again, the real question is should we all lose our FG / GPs or should we be hypocrites and have Empire be the only ones that get punished?


mik, at best you are saving 90 seconds every 5 levels by "glitching" the two xp quests
adding 10-25 gpz to the count in less than 25 minutes is like saving days of slashing...

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Mar 18 2012 10:42am
Quote (LabattBlue @ Mar 18 2012 11:41am)
running black is part of the game design, hence why there are no eps or quests if you stay black
i have never done mm due to the fact it takes 4 hours to even have a chance, why is it air that i spent 10k in gear to do mm
where someone can use tier 3 gear to accomplish the same thing


Being able to have someone 4 levels ahead of you join your game is part of the game design.
And i've done MM 3 times, you don't have to have good gear to do it the "right way" either.
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Mar 18 2012 10:42am
Quote (Stok3d @ Mar 18 2012 11:26am)
  • Ambush Abuse  (Game Remakes):  I reported the Ambush abuse immediately to Paul. It was BS. He in turn tuned down the drops as a response.
  • Glitching XP Quests:  Those that do that waste more time remaking a game than their benefit that comes from it.  No advantage
  • Selling items on MP for lower cost:  Risk having items Sniped.  1 snipe and prob fixed

We're talking GPs here Mikol.  Swift and immediate justice should be found.  The Damage Return crap was also complete and utter BS. I don't know who was suspended, but I sawmultiple ppl's characters with full DR gear on.  These ppl were also HC.  I didn't search too deeply on SC as I followed up tips to check.





It's no where near the same severity.  That's just my 2cents.  Again, I haven't played in 6months so take my opinion as you will.


Quote (ilikeitlikethat @ Mar 17 2012 08:10pm)
Was the MM thing reported in attempt to bring it to the forefront so no one was regarded as exploiting it?  I know the other matter in question was: https://sites.google.com/site/lsscandal/  .


read it



Quote (Mikol @ Mar 18 2012 11:36am)
The faster the climb the more climbs someone can do and the more gps they can do.

Let me break it down like this:

Glitch MM:

Don't have to explore a huge map.
Don't have to fight hard monsters. (the final part)
More gps in a shorter amount of time.

Doing a run with full no-explore:

Don't have to explore a huge map.
Don't have to fight hard monsters. (evil presences)
More gps in a shorter amount of time.

So again should everyone that has ever done a full black climb have their gps reset?

That's the dumbest comparison I've ever seen.

It (your comparison) is kind of like:
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Steal a car:
get a car for less money

Pay less for a car than it's worth:
get a car for less money


I don't see the difference herpderp


This post was edited by Kickassjoe on Mar 18 2012 10:47am
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Mar 18 2012 10:57am
Quote (Kickassjoe @ Mar 18 2012 12:42pm)
read it


heh, never seen that b4. These weren't even the ppl I saw.

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Mar 18 2012 11:03am
Quote (Stok3d @ Mar 18 2012 11:57am)
heh, never seen that b4.  These weren't even the ppl I saw.


Weird isn't it?
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Mar 18 2012 11:43am
Quote (LabattBlue @ 18 Mar 2012 00:46)
never tried either so i cant really say. Although GPs are kinda worthless where items you can make fg


Ppl buy better items, cuz they want faster climbs, which is equal with more gps, so at the most I'd say bigger punishment for gps exploit ^_^
(Maybe it's not that much of a problem like it was with Arena, but still, the more, the better items certain guild possesses, the more gps it gains)
Gps are actually the main thing here, even though some ppl won't admit it and hide it under so called "guild comradery". There's no way ppl would waste so much time for this game if it was only about e-friends. It is a nice bonus and probably the only one which has some real value here, but it wouldn't be like that without a spicy taste of rivalry.

(Didn't have a time to read other posts earlier, so 3 cents more from me)

This post was edited by barteq88 on Mar 18 2012 11:46am
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Mar 18 2012 11:55am
neither should be punished. If it shouldn't be done this way then shouldn't paul fix it?

why keep it in the game for months then just decide to punish the people who used it.

that's like showing someone a super epic weapon then ignoring it for a few months then punish everyone who used it claiming it's there fault.

Obv the game is supposed to be played this way other wise the glitch would be fixed by now or paul would publically state that it's a glitch and shouldn't be used.
or there is always the option that maybe paul just doesn't give a shit.

idk.

This post was edited by Ensane on Mar 18 2012 11:56am
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Mar 18 2012 12:16pm
Quote (Ensane @ 18 Mar 2012 17:55)
neither should be punished. If it shouldn't be done this way then shouldn't paul fix it?

why keep it in the game for months then just decide to punish the people who used it.

that's like showing someone a super epic weapon then ignoring it for a few months then punish everyone who used it claiming it's there fault.

Obv the game is supposed to be played this way other wise the glitch would be fixed by now or paul would publically state that it's a glitch and shouldn't be used.
or there is always the option that maybe paul just doesn't give a shit.

idk.


It's actually this kind of logic which I could accept, but what's done is done, benell has been punished, so now ppl want the same for others and it's perfectly understandable, don't you think?

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