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Jun 22 2011 12:25am
Quote (HoR_Rahl @ Jun 22 2011 01:59am)
Can someone show me the rules that state that you cannot bypass the market place fee, or reduce it by putting items up for less?

I've looked through the rules and this is nowhere in there. It's not a loophole, it's pretty simple, if someone wants to sell something vs 1fg they can do that. If someone else wants to give them forum gold, they can. Hell I've donated lot's of people forum gold...and no that doesn't mean I used the vault xfer to sell items. It means I thought someone needed some fg and I gave it to them. So anyways, someone please direct me to this "rule" that I cannot find.



The part that says etc, means alot.

Some common sense should be enough and not to mention this is Paul's game, the Mp fee is there for a certain reason, trying to work your way around it is against his wishes, therefore punishable.
Wait, sorry what I just typed doesn't answer your question, my bad.

Almost anything that is wrong can end up with a punishement. Rule or no rule, it's only normal.

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As I said before, in this situation, I doubt anything will happen due to 2 ppl agreeing on something that, is wrong in the eyes of others.
But it might still cause a hassle for ppl in the futur.

It's been said, even a loan that isn't paid back might get the user locked.

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I hope this answers everyone. But I know it wont, cause many will fight the truth just to save some Fg/$$$, way of the world ;)
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Jun 22 2011 12:27am
Oh shit guys I think I bought that staff.

I couldnt believe it was on the marketplace.

:O

This post was edited by ChronFather420 on Jun 22 2011 12:37am
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Jun 22 2011 12:27am
Well, after reading this entire :flamethrower: Flame topic (because that's what it is). I must say that even though the "chances" of an item being sniped are slim it is STILL a possibility. As far as Raf being a scammer, I think your dead wrong on that. Is he a bit (OK a Lot) arrogant? YES. Is he an asshole? YES. But a scammer? Not at all. Yes he is a close personal friend of mine and I am going to defend him in this. You both should have just paid the fee, and there wouldn't have been this problem. I can tell you right now that this staff is not located anywhere in trust vaults, or even in former trust vaults. The fact of the matter is (though you might feel differently) Transactions over MP (sniped or not) are not considered scams.
Also I am sure that when Raf gets on he can show his gold logs and you will see where he sold it and you missed it. Your loss not his.
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Jun 22 2011 12:27am
Quote (FatZero @ Jun 22 2011 06:08am)
I don't have the PM anymore, but why would I outwardly lie about something easily verifiable about him? I've seen plenty of people suspended for "lying" when it comes to moderator actions.


All intensity aside I like how people are citing the rules on this.

Do you honestly think that:

A. The site only uses the rules to inflict suspensions, warns, locked tags, or scammer tags?  They make decisions based on your actions and intent and not every rule is published, that I promise you.

B. That they created a tax system but allow for people to think of creative ways to exploit it?


You can't be that new or naive you think this practice is okay, this site was created on integrity, not loopholes.


it was created to cheat at d2, not exactly integrity, but i get what you are trying to say
simple rule to follow for op, trust no one...pay in full on market to get a item...you would not of lost it in the first place if you did this

This post was edited by low-ki on Jun 22 2011 12:27am
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Jun 22 2011 12:30am
seems like alot of slam going on here.
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Jun 22 2011 12:31am
Quote (James84 @ Jun 22 2011 06:25pm)
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The part that says etc, means alot.

Some common sense should be enough and not to mention this is Paul's game, the Mp fee is there for a certain reason, trying to work your way around it is against his wishes, therefore punishable.
Wait, sorry what I just typed doesn't answer your question, my bad.

Almost anything that is wrong can end up with a punishement. Rule or no rule, it's only normal.

---

As I said before, in this situation, I doubt anything will happen due to 2 ppl agreeing on something that, is wrong in the eyes of others.
But it might still cause a hassle for ppl in the futur.

It's been said, even a loan that isn't paid back might get the user locked.

---

I hope this answers everyone. But I know it wont, cause many will fight the truth just to save some Fg/$$$, way of the world ;)


In my eyes, it has nothing to do with what we're talking about - that is about in game cheating - auto click, botting ..etc, see.. etc! :p

I see the punishment as only being - 'At your own risk'. Paul can't help you if you put an item up on the mp, for 1fg, and someone else grabs it - he also can't help you if you send an item into somebody elses vault. That has been said many times. Once somebody has an item in their possession it is now their item. No longer yours.

Quote (StealinHerHeart @ Jun 22 2011 06:27pm)
Well, after reading this entire :flamethrower: Flame topic (because that's what it is). I must say that even though the "chances" of an item being sniped are slim it is STILL a possibility. As far as Raf being a scammer, I think your dead wrong on that. Is he a bit (OK a Lot) arrogant? YES. Is he an asshole? YES. But a scammer? Not at all. Yes he is a close personal friend of mine and I am going to defend him in this. You both should have just paid the fee, and there wouldn't have been this problem. I can tell you right now that this staff is not located anywhere in trust vaults, or even in former trust vaults. The fact of the matter is (though you might feel differently) Transactions over MP (sniped or not) are not considered scams.
Also I am sure that when Raf gets on he can show his gold logs and you will see where he sold it and you missed it. Your loss not his.



It will be very interesting to see where that Staff turns up eh.

This post was edited by Shannon on Jun 22 2011 12:32am
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Jun 22 2011 12:35am
raf is trying to spend the fg before a possible lock comes, typical of scammers.
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Jun 22 2011 12:44am
Quote (StealinHerHeart @ Jun 22 2011 02:27am)
Well, after reading this entire :flamethrower: Flame topic (because that's what it is). I must say that even though the "chances" of an item being sniped are slim it is STILL a possibility. As far as Raf being a scammer, I think your dead wrong on that. Is he a bit (OK a Lot) arrogant? YES. Is he an asshole? YES. But a scammer? Not at all. Yes he is a close personal friend of mine and I am going to defend him in this. You both should have just paid the fee, and there wouldn't have been this problem. I can tell you right now that this staff is not located anywhere in trust vaults, or even in former trust vaults. The fact of the matter is (though you might feel differently) Transactions over MP (sniped or not) are not considered scams.
Also I am sure that when Raf gets on he can show his gold logs and you will see where he sold it and you missed it. Your loss not his.


The dude is a meathead, plain and simple...
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Jun 22 2011 12:48am
Quote (TooNArmY @ 21 Jun 2011 22:41)
Yes, i've paid thousands and thousands in fees on many many many trade, but i couldn't really afford it at the time, so i settled for a solution.

I dont deny i tried to skip the fee, and for that, i got scammed, i dont deny that, and if you read, i said i'm partially to blame.

But it doesn't void the fact that i have indeed been scammed.


It is not a scam when you willing send fg to bypass a fee that is supposed to be paid if you want to be safe borrow 600fg its really not that much fg to be sure that you dont lose 11k

Honestly in this thread you pretty much admitted to scamming the site which could potentially get you in trouble if paul sees this...

Also the fact that you would put a 200+ee item for 1 fg is sheer stupidity

This post was edited by Cheeya on Jun 22 2011 12:49am
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Quote (TooNArmY @ Jun 22 2011 12:31am)
(1) - First of all, i acknowledge that according to d2jsp Ladder Slasher rules/policy, there are steps in place to avoid scamming completely, so no accusation of scamming in this game will officially be recognized on LS. Second, i acknowledge it was my decision to trust someone, and nothing can be done, and i'm well aware of this. Despite these facts, it is still possibly to deceive one, and steal from people, as we've seen countless times throughout the history of the game.

(2) - I also understand many people on this forum will be pleased to see i've been scammed, and that's fine and expected, there has and will always be immature people around here. If you're too lazy to read and comprehend the situation, you can spam else where.

(3) - Finally, i don't deny that it was my fault to trust Rafaels, and i won't deny that i'm cheap, an offer to save 600 fg was made, and in order to do so, i would have to trust a person i judged could be trusted, he comes from the top LS guild - The Trust, and for the most part, i respect the majority of the members of that guild, have seen Rafaels around for a long time, and i figured in a wage between integrity and pixels, integrity would win, and if not, it would be unfortunate, but life would go on.
I work for my fg, and 600 fg is a considerable amount, so of course i agreed to do that method.

- This trade was done in the same fashion as a Diablo 2 trade, where one person gives first and the other is trusted to deliver the item as agreed, opposed to diablo 2, this trade would've costed me 600 fg to use a 'mediated' method. Which i couldn't really afford.


-- This is to notify the community that Rafaels is a scammer, and there is no denying it. --



read up to this line and stopped. he's not a scammer because scams cant happen in ls, which you seemed to understand until that point.

HB.
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