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Jul 21 2018 01:51am
Here is a standard TESTER with realistic gear:

Level 41 Paladin (Hardcore solo):

50 Str
30 Dex
20 Int
95 Vitality

Abilities: = 34% TwoHitBack (5 points remaining, no other ability)
Stat Points: 10 remaining

CTRL+Click (item switch from EES / junk to usable)
Weapon: Battle-axe =Angelic adamantium battleaxe, Damage: 335 to 402, +124% Enhanced Effect, +1 to 6 Mana per Attack, +1 to 1 Life per Kill, +2% Parry
Armor: Legendary fossilized scale armor, Physical Defense: 20 to 83, Magical Defense: 12 to 37, +47 Strength, +1 Mana Regen, +1 Extra Equipment Slots, +1 to 3 Mana per Attack, +1% Quick Draw, +24% Heal Mastery, +1 Jubilance
Main Charm: Angelic heal XI, Heals: 37 to 101, +40 Intelligence, +407 Max Life, +1% Mind Numb, +2% Power Shot
ACC Charm: Rare focused heal X, Heals: 118 to 142, +100% Enhanced Effect, +1 Critical Strike

Now, this character at level 41 can grow to aid either a full group or solo +, it depends on the abilities chosen to COMPLIMENT the group with either healing, melee'ing or casting... remember, you can NOT adjust the gear posted here, this IS the characters basic MASTER QUEST gear. (outside of casting charms)

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jul 21 2018 01:54am
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Jul 21 2018 02:58am
Quote (Cheeya @ Jul 21 2018 02:21pm)
Im unable to test this as I dont have melee gear but EVEN IF I DID Id use an efficient build over one like this. Work smarter not harder. Any way you slice it, attacking and casting is more effort than doing just one and when someone with best in game gear only gets a minor increase in damage (50 avg dmg increase) that tells me all I need to know about it.


Then why are you here posting?
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Jul 21 2018 03:56am
Quote (Plaguefear @ 21 Jul 2018 02:58)
Then why are you here posting?


Because acting like a build is viable or even more efficient while using the best gear in game is like a billionaire telling a homeless man that he should just get a loan to buy a house. Good luck with that. You have access to resources not commonly or readily available to the majority of players. Way to flaunt your good fortune to the rest of the community. Also because I fucking do what I want.
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Jul 21 2018 04:38am
Quote (Cheeya @ 21 Jul 2018 11:56)
Because acting like a build is viable or even more efficient while using the best gear in game is like a billionaire telling a homeless man that he should just get a loan to buy a house. Good luck with that. You have access to resources not commonly or readily available to the majority of players. Way to flaunt your good fortune to the rest of the community. Also because I fucking do what I want.


Please stay out of this topic. Thanks
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Jul 21 2018 04:55am
Quote (Meridius @ Jul 21 2018 11:38pm)
Please stay out of this topic. Thanks


Not trying to be an Ass here, but, not once have you responded to my input? My points are valid as indicated by you ignoring them and only responding to certain posts... don't get me wrong, there have been other posts that ignore them as well, this is because they don't have a proper debate or can constructively criticise my comments based on the fact that I use crap gear and make it work... all you and most of the other comments (outside of those with constructive criticism like Cheeya) have ignored this, so, go back, read what I have posted and take my comments to heart, if not, then elaborate WHY my comments ARE incorrect to your testing and others? OH by the way, if YOUR argument is based on SUPER GEAR only available on SOFTCORE which was found/made or produced before I STARTED playing LS, then I suggest you STFU and keep it to yourself.
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Quote (izParagonzi @ 21 Jul 2018 12:55)
Not trying to be an Ass here, but, not once have you responded to my input? My points are valid as indicated by you ignoring them and only responding to certain posts... don't get me wrong, there have been other posts that ignore them as well, this is because they don't have a proper debate or can constructively criticise my comments based on the fact that I use crap gear and make it work... all you and most of the other comments (outside of those with constructive criticism like Cheeya) have ignored this, so, go back, read what I have posted and take my comments to heart, if not, then elaborate WHY my comments ARE incorrect to your testing and others? OH by the way, if YOUR argument is based on SUPER GEAR only available on SOFTCORE which was found/made or produced before I STARTED playing LS, then I suggest you STFU and keep it to yourself.


I read your post, but Cheeya keeps spamming here without providing anything on the topic - unlike you!



Quote (izParagonzi @ 21 Jul 2018 09:51)
Here is a standard TESTER with realistic gear:

Level 41 Paladin (Hardcore solo):

50 Str
30 Dex
20 Int
95 Vitality

Abilities: = 34% TwoHitBack (5 points remaining, no other ability)
Stat Points: 10 remaining

CTRL+Click (item switch from EES / junk to usable)
Weapon: Battle-axe =Angelic adamantium battleaxe, Damage: 335 to 402, +124% Enhanced Effect, +1 to 6 Mana per Attack, +1 to 1 Life per Kill, +2% Parry
Armor: Legendary fossilized scale armor, Physical Defense: 20 to 83, Magical Defense: 12 to 37, +47 Strength, +1 Mana Regen, +1 Extra Equipment Slots, +1 to 3 Mana per Attack, +1% Quick Draw, +24% Heal Mastery, +1 Jubilance
Main Charm: Angelic heal XI, Heals: 37 to 101, +40 Intelligence, +407 Max Life, +1% Mind Numb, +2% Power Shot
ACC Charm: Rare focused heal X, Heals: 118 to 142, +100% Enhanced Effect, +1 Critical Strike

Now, this character at level 41 can grow to aid either a full group or solo +, it depends on the abilities chosen to COMPLIMENT the group with either healing, melee'ing or casting... remember, you can NOT adjust the gear posted here, this IS the characters basic MASTER QUEST gear. (outside of casting charms)


Do you have a normal stat charm aswell? Like a str charm for that BA?

Would like to see that you test it with a group and do one climb with the int charm and the next with the str/dex charm and using that casting ability on paladin.

We already know that the healing abilities work and are usefull. I want to see the casting ones more tested

Quote (Ryanrules @ 21 Jul 2018 05:28)
I would contribute to it if getting climbs were a bit easier for me. Also there is usually a huge gap in gear one way or another. I'll give it a shot at some point.

People arguing about the gear is just salty players being salty. I know what you're trying to accomplish here and I appreciate the initial testing.

I have this bad boy to do a test with someday:

Angelic wind XIV
Level Req: 55
Spell Damage: 29 to 132
Mana Cost: 109

+30 Strength
+54 Intelligence
+2% Experience Gained
+1% Glancing Blow

Used this back in the day to boost my heal charm on pally when I would solo it. Then chaining monsters went away and so did my healing on melee characters.


Thanks. Looking forward to see your results
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Jul 21 2018 05:30am
Quote (Meridius @ 21 Jul 2018 04:38)
Please stay out of this topic. Thanks


No

Quote (Meridius @ 21 Jul 2018 05:01)
I read your post, but Cheeya keeps spamming here without providing anything on the topic - unlike you!




Do you have a normal stat charm aswell? Like a str charm for that BA?

Would like to see that you test it with a group and do one climb with the int charm and the next with the str/dex charm and using that casting ability on paladin.

We already know that the healing abilities work and are usefull. I want to see the casting ones more tested



Thanks. Looking forward to see your results


Since when does one person “spamming” (disagreeing with you for valid reasons presented by MULTIPLE PEOPLE) prevent you from replying to another user? Seems like a lame excuse to pass the blame to someone else. Especially seeing as your response to his posts was nothing more than the excuse for ignoring him and then you continued to ignore the post you blamed me for not responding to. He never accused you of not reading it, he accused you of completely ignoring it. Which you have done yet again.

This post was edited by Cheeya on Jul 21 2018 05:34am
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Jul 21 2018 05:49am
Im with cheeya on that one, this thread still didnt bring anything meaningfull to contribute in any aspect on the hybrid gear/abilities debate. Id suggest a solo hybrid climb with 100 ee stuff. And by hybrid I dont mean swapping charms but sticking to ee/int mana stuff all the way then we can have a valid discussion about this.
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Quote (DOHtrader @ 21 Jul 2018 12:49)
Im with cheeya on that one, this thread still didnt bring anything meaningfull to contribute in any aspect on the hybrid gear/abilities debate. Id suggest a solo hybrid climb with 100 ee stuff. And by hybrid I dont mean swapping charms but sticking to ee/int mana stuff all the way then we can have a valid discussion about this.


I think the point of this topic was him showing what he tested and wanting other people to show their test results. If you feel the test is not an accurate representation, then feel free to conduct a test yourself and prove it wrong.
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Jul 21 2018 07:13am
Quote (Ryanrules @ 21 Jul 2018 08:03)
I think the point of this topic was him showing what he tested and wanting other people to show their test results. If you feel the test is not an accurate representation, then feel free to conduct a test yourself and prove it wrong.


I dont have the fg to buy the gear to do this and even if I had it I wouldnt waste time on this. It just seems clear that hybrid is at best just as good as offcasting so I dont see why anyone would do this if you can afford a melee/caster set unless paul buffs or juste change the abilities to charge with cast instead of charges by attacking
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