People using guardian to make their points should be fish slapped along with the Guardian class being deleted
In all reality I think I have done 1 climb with a guardian in my time playing. Ever since then saw how terrible they were and we're never allowed back in.
Most of these are old school players (some new too) who don't understand meta or that meta can even change. The shift in outlasting and over time items has moved from high burst and speed with the whistle implementation. People unwilling to adapt usually get left behind and gear devalued.
Look at some of the magical stats on portal page and you will see some of the stats I'm thinking of that helped prolong fighting but have now since lost their value.