Both are equivalent and yeah, they (whoever they are) should be suspended like benell, but hey, who cares, diablo 3 is coming, so gps, fg will be meaningless.

but u'll get the gps for sure and faster
items could be crap and u didnt have success 100% - at least if i understand that 2 exploits right

so the punishement for mm has to be at least as high as dmg return imo and for sure not like the Venn diagram

Both are exploits = Both are equivalent

This.

It should be VERY VERY easy for someone to look through the guild's GPs to scan for Mirror Maze abuse. This is actually the easiest thing to detect (there are written logs of it). This abuse should be reversed.

As for punishment, I'm mixed. I say just strip the GPs. The fact that they get their "Bonus" stripped in the end and they spent considerably more effort on that MQ (timewise) than other guilds is enough. We don't have a community base to support multiple suspensions.
I have no idea which guilds have been doing this, but I will state for the Record that UA was not one of them. I just checked through the GP logs. UA did not participate in that Damage Return either (Yeah, i was a guy who even reported it after a birdie tweeted me about it).

The question I now ask: Should Wilbur have a new home?




Just GPs imo for the MM abuse.




I'm very distanced from LS anymore... I haven't a clue. This thread is the first I've actually heard of it.
If I had access to look at everyone's Guild Point Logs, I could answer this with 100% certainty in less than an hour though. This is VERY EASY to figure out. It's a no-brainer in fact.

This post was edited by Stok3d on Mar 18 2012 10:20am

Not trying to start anything but, how many guilds have used these exploits to their own benefit?




Should their items/fg/gps be stripped too?

Did you even read the quote that I posted? The exploits that I posted have been done by every single guild for the past ~year. So should every single guild and every single person that slashes have their gps reset back to a year ago? Or should we have a scapegoat like Empire take the punishment for all of us because we are too cowardly to admit that we have all exploited the game in some way?

Equal... consequences should be swift.

• Ambush Abuse (Game Remakes): I reported the Ambush abuse immediately to Paul. It was BS. He in turn tuned down the drops as a response.
  
• Glitching XP Quests: Those that do that waste more time remaking a game than their benefit that comes from it. No advantage
  
• Selling items on MP for lower cost: Risk having items Sniped. 1 snipe and prob fixed

We're talking GPs here Mikol. Swift and immediate justice should be found. The Damage Return crap was also complete and utter BS. I don't know who was suspended, but I sawmultiple ppl's characters with full DR gear on. These ppl were also HC. I didn't search too deeply on SC as I followed up tips to check.





It's no where near the same severity. That's just my 2cents. Again, I haven't played in 6months so take my opinion as you will.

This post was edited by Stok3d on Mar 18 2012 10:32am

Glitching ambush: Faster levels and the whites you find are rediculous. Problem not solved.
Glitching XP quests: You level ALOT faster, you have been gone too long I think.
Selling items over MP / Having a guildy leave your guild to get the item from another guild: Saves hundreds of thousands of FG in fees.

So again, the real question is should we all lose our FG / GPs or should we be hypocrites and have Empire be the only ones that get punished?

i hope u see difference between additional gps and faster climb