IMO, the fact that my poorer guildies were able to finally have a chance at gear that they could use/sell,
and stop borrowing my own stuff on a near constant basis
was amazing

im sorry that some people are QQ
maybe those people are worried that the "new" drop rates were lowering the value of their own items?



ive stopped bothering to explore
mqs are done in 2hrs~ making it easier to get people in a a quick run



preach on brotha



since i was shown how to spawn it 100% in a Trust run, ive never had it spawn less than 2 times per climb
when doing it myself

You didn't address my point, I said I would love to see the success rate of doing so, I've tried to spawn it multiple times a lot and failed.





Surely if there is some method to force it to spawn you should address that, not the frequency it spawns.

This post was edited by FatZero on Mar 18 2011 07:02pm

Wouldn't mind hearing Paul's take on this one...

Have climbed much since the update so I didnt know about it not spawning. I can see this being frustrating to someone who is trying to get all the objectives completed.

This post was edited by Mezandria on Mar 18 2011 07:35pm

I throw you a free hug.

hm, time for a lil exp penalty 'bugfix' on running on black ^
appearently 1/3 less exp on backtrack 1st step, 1/4 less on 2nd back, 1/5 on 3rd, then normal again?


And it wouldn't be too hard too 'fix'/change spawning it below lvl req by checking if all in party have minimum requirement,... or have alrdy encountered nmnm, eventhough uncompleted sometimes
... hm actually, ... that would work great, also for other quests... like ppl who encounter sneaky and run from it, will never see it again?
some ppl run for shaman, so run once, and never 'worry' again

This post was edited by Saku on Mar 18 2011 09:00pm

And how about the 20+ times you are spun back into previously explored areas? Are we supposed to lose experience based upon something we have no control over or protection from?

As to your edit... Shamans, sneaky, Pinch, Maze, ambush, and horde can be done even though they were done before. Haven't you noticed if you create a new game, even though you have those quests done, if somebody joins who doesn't before you enter the map, they're once again available? The only three that are intended for single completion are Face, NMNM, and MM. None of those are supposed to be farmed, based on the fact that if even 1 person in group has them @ map creation, they become unavailable.



Sounds pretty complicated. What's your beef with black-trackers? Seems easier for paul to change the coding of quest allowance on Face and NMNM to show as "completed" the moment you hit them rather than after you kill the mobs. That way, hit them once, they're marked done and you can't do them again, and you only get the reward if you succeed in the attempt against them. Also, implementing a method into the game where if anyone in the group has them marked completed, they will not spawn, regardless of whether or not they said "enabled" at initial map spawn.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Mar 18 2011 09:06pm

i said backtracking, so when you jump to explored, you didn't pass the black squares 1-2-3 steps previously, so normal exp



yea it'll say it's available when someone new joins the game and you drop through td, thats fine, the new guy didnt c it yet, so the quest can actually spawn, regardless of what quest it is

If all in group have encountered a quest, and finished or run from it, it'll simply just not spawn, even if it says it's enabled during map creation because ppl try to glitch it
Before it spawns there's the check on all in group if not all have already encountered it, and if all have minimum lvl requirement, and if all have prerequisite quests.



I hate running black ^ and it's not the way it was intended to play i'd assume

As for the rest, yup, that's one way of implementing it, but i'd apply it for all quests and i'd limit it to if all have not done them yet, instead of 1 or more.

This post was edited by Saku on Mar 18 2011 09:25pm

hehe we tried hut nmnm to but w/o any gg drops

but we get som gg drop from well so next step will be to disable it ??

and solution enable 1 pre climb and only1 attempt was bad ide

best option will be give active by so time 4 example after min 30 min of exploring or after explore min amount of pixels % of whole maze so @ 71+ maps it will be harder to find

now when average team make 55-71 in ~2 min per lv 30 min dley will be ok imo

it was simply the particular quests done by all in the group , by the same people who did them with me since we started at lvl 1,
the fact that all the people were fully eligible to have this quest spawn,
and we afk'd in the game for a break at 55 before we started the mq portion of our climb.
then everyone entered at the same time
and we left at the same time.

the first one would spawn before 60
and the next would spawn at 65+

the trick was to get the 3rd one

Uh, I seem to recall SharpDeath being in one of my runs when we did 3 NMNM. First off, we finished all prior quests first, including sneaky. Once that was done, we stayed in the map until we hit it, avoiding all trapdoors. We hit it by 61. Then I left, remade, we did it again, hit it at 65. Third time (the charm), we hit it at 71.

Biggest thing was to not take trapdoors, and either not have sneaky available, or do sneaky if it pops in the run. But the basic theory behind it is, "If Face, Sneaky, and NMNM are all enabled, and IF the code only says 'a quest pops', then there is a weighted likelyhood it will be one over the other, then you want as few other quests besides NMNM available as possible."

It worked well, and we did get 2 and 3 NMNM per climb many different climbs. But there were also many climbs where we never had it spawn. There was still the element of chance.

Edit: The break at 55 part of SharpDeath's post makes me 90% certain it was one of my runs. That's the best level EVER to go grab a shot of vodka.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Mar 18 2011 10:46pm