OK...i get what YOU are saying too. I have played HC for almost 2 years now. Dead is dead...yup..i accept that...NP here and i won't cry about it even though i'm a girl.
It's just that now..with the ARENA taken away ....our chances of dying solo in the catacombs far exceeds most slashers abilities to slash unless the person stays in the black and WHATS the fun in that
if drops are crap and lvling and prof percentages are slow and boring??? There are maybe 5 people in HC with good enough gear to accomplish this task :/

After months of obtaining certain gear and spending tons of fg on items...why should the risk be almost 90% more chance to die than it was ? It was bad enough soloing at high lvls..now its almost
next to impossible. If the Arena was never really intended..why put it there in the first place? I would NEVER have invested so much in HC if that was known to me in the start. I invested
a lot BECAUSE of the time zone issue and i KNEW i would need to solo. I liked the risk...simple as that...but AS IT WAS..before the update.

All I've gotten out of this topic, to be honest, are the following:

1. People are crying that their gear is no longer as effective. Tell me something, is this the first updated where you've been so effected? If so, I envy you.

2. Apparently HC and SC should be merged, and many SC-Only items should be deleted (at the owners expense)? Not sure I understand this, or the reasoning, as it's basically saying, "Hi! We can't compete with what you worked hard and/or paid premium to acquire, so we wish it to be deleted so that we feel less shitty about ourselves!" What next? Every 200ee+ item in the game needs be deleted too, since not every person who's been playing a week has them?

3. Somehow, mobs that die in fewer hits and per hit deal less damage, are apparently dealing overall far more damage?

4. Apparently being a girl gives more meaning to your opinion.

Sorry, this topic gets a D- for effort, and a flat F for making sense.

Yea i understand amber, i do feel that way about the updates also. To me it seems that majority of these updates are based around the current situation in sc... when gear was too plenty and too bountiful he removed muting and replaced it with skills that totally transformed it. When paladins were overpowering sc, he nerfed their stats down... that was long b4 the doors update too b/c of how short the sc seasons were.

Idk it seems hc is on the back burner for consideration of the updates, he just needs to come out with atleast one update or part of an update that is focused on hc. I mean isn't sc and hc on two different servers and are not connected at all? couldn't he change hc just a little bit, improved drops here or increased xp or something.

from alot of ppl i've talked with who did buy fg to spend on ls are now stopping because of this update, it just changed the game so differently that they are become so uncertain with the future of this game and of hc. It seems to me hc might being fazed out little by little but that is just my opinion.



1. Ppl will always cry about nerfs.

2. It shouldn't be merged but with how small ls has shrunk something it should be. Im gonna respond to this also b/c im taking this as an "attack" at me. I feel, let me repeat I FEEL, that unspawnables should be deleted due to the fact that they were mistakes. If paul intended for items like that to exist he would of allowed more to be around and not fix it so they couldn't be found ne more?

3. its not they are doing more dmg overall its ur getting hit by another monster (1-2 more on eps) that normally would not be doing dmg to you while soloing. so instead of being a 1v1 fight, its now a 2v1 or 1v1 or 1v3. that is why they do more dmg, its because you are being hit more often and more repeatedly than b4.

4. trolling??? idk im not familiar

This post was edited by RoXthebus1 on Oct 13 2010 03:46am

Ill be swift There was no-way one could die in the last version of LS unless you played with taking risks you shouldn't have, therefore the game was too easy.

Now hardcore became hardcore again,
- there are mobs out there that can kill you.
- if you don't pay attention you will die now.
- if you don't play as a proper team and have that communication you will die.
- soloing became easier and less risky if you stay on the black, but that will take away the fun or risk or whatever you want to call this. If you do decide to play the funnier/riskier way you open yourself up to ripping it's all in what are you willing to risk to what extent.
- As far as the arena being there or not, Paul always made clear that the future of this game is team-based.
- in my 2.5 years of playing HC, I have never seen so much activity on HC as of late people from all guilds uniting and mq'ing it up like boss's
- People that earned proficiencies before, just got more exclusive instead of every saying these are useless its beautiful.
- You can now use lower ee gear, and get a ratio so you can still swiftly kill without having the best of the best gear.

Easy if you want swift, fun and exciting mq's either group or solo your way with exploring. If you want slower, less riskier but 'boring' mq's stay in the black.

I just don't understand if there are so many people complaining about whatnot, why don't you all just quit I wouldn't be happy playing a game I didn't like.

inb4lancesaysthisgamesucks




Well that you are in a different timezone doesn't make you not able to solo anymore, and the 5% you actually play in a group of your time you should be able to withstand any seizures from lasers. Maybe get some friends in your timezone to play with? Or do what a lot of people playing this game do, stay up and bridge certain timezones and turn into a zombie in real life.

This post was edited by benell on Oct 13 2010 04:15am

One thing missing from your post.

Timezones... my timezone only enables me to play solo... unless:
1. Day off work
2. Wake up @ 4am to play the game
3. Real life issues with daughter, partner and her daughter and other family outings

95% of the time... there is only me, myself and I that is playing LS at my level.

One thing that annoys me on update... those frigging speechmarks with numbers in them (laser show)
They just about make me go into fits and possible seizure when I am in a group with 3 casters blasting away and monsters doing the same etc.

Hmm... Well, I've been on, since the update, at any and all given hours of the day/night. And there's always been groups going. I may have to log into a secondary character from time to time to get into the proper level range, but the groups are there. If they're not there on HC, and this bothers you enough that you don't wish to play? Convince your friends to play HC, and help them gear up, or play sc at such times.

If you don't like the "laser light show" then don't play. Good god, everyone's bitched enough. The horse is dead. Either eat it, or leave it be, yes?



So buy them all and glyph/shrine them.

Nothing personal at all roxx. But many of those I've seen lately saying "unspawnables should be removed, etc." at one time owned their own collections of unspawnables as well. They sold them. Mass profit. Now that they don't have them? Why NOT have them removed?

BTW, if the offers are right, I will sell every unspawnable I own, right this moment, to any buyer willing to shrine the lot. And just to make it easy, I'll give a blanket price of 124K fg apiece to remove the guesswork.

What? Doesn't seem right? How do you know? What did I pay, both in time slashing/muting when they were just "drops", as well as fg, to acquire them, and what's the standard profit rates on those items?

Just saying, taking a person's work away from them... Yeah. Next, time to remove all 200+ ee items. Obviously if they weren't a mistake, they'd fall much more often, and everyone would have a few, no?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Oct 13 2010 04:15am

Solos terrible, make some friends jump on a vent have a drink, and share some laughs. Focus more on that and less on topics You may have a good time playing JUST MY OPINION THOUGH



This post was edited by ChrisNouns on Oct 13 2010 04:38am

I wasn't taking it personal thats why i put "attack" couldn't think of another word to use that is similar in meaning but not the same meaning as attack. i have only played sc in the beginning days of slashing back when mq was lvl 61. But what i see and what i think you don't is that unspawnables have had a huge effect on how the game has changed. When he nerfed unspawnables the holy fest of crying started to the point where he redid some of the nerfs so that some stats became unaffected again.

I believe muting was changed because of the regular items in sc being constantly found/muted and with the underlying presences of the unspawnables forced him to change it so that the market wouldn't be totally trashed with so many good items that vaules would plummet.

Dex nerf i believe can be attributed to sc also and partly to the unspawnables because with them you can get right stats that the game just becomes a 1 click kill game. There are a few others i could think of but then again this is pure speculation on my part, none of this could be correct or some of it could be correct, or all of it could be. I don't know because the creator of this game does not share the details of his decisions and changes to the game.




i just lol at this, i will never own a unspawnable because i will never play sc again, haven't since the first time i played hc couple years ago. can't be jealous of something that i know i will never be in my possession. if you honestly think i am jealous about sc having better items than hc u obviously have never had a dialog with me before.

@ insanebobb on the other page: i don't feel like massive qouting so i'll just quick reply here, im not for the deletion of the unspawnables now, but if the cores were to be merged i would, Only and if that happened, prob won't b/c i see hc being deleted b4 that would happen. just got distracted by the other thing u said that to me seemed a bit ridiculous for me not to respond to.

3rd edit: idk its prob that i feel mq's should be earned with time and dedication, not liking how fast it takes ppl to get there. Like the old system b4 catas came out because when u did finally get to mq it was the best feeling in the world even if u failed because u know and understood the effort, time, and patients it took to get there. also prob because i cannot sleep either, prob isn't helping.

This post was edited by RoXthebus1 on Oct 13 2010 05:03am

Last night i soloed a melee mage whitout ee robe ofc, and killed 3 Ep's whitout leaving. maybe your build isn't as good as u think it is..

Or maybe u were just whit ppl that don't do as much dmg as u..

And i also remember that u MQ whit a 20 or 25 robe so that might be the problem as well

Lol, don't bother discussion with him. Someone who doesn't possess at least one unspawnable, will always be that selfish and want them all to be removed. It's called also *jealousy*

As for @izParagonzi: he is a pure SC player


As for topic: I'm moving slowly (have some other things to do), but that round 1-41 I did so far was pretty easy, even with triple EP
Will come back here and say something more once I get to 71.

Cheers.