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#41
Aug 16 2010 03:16pm
Quote (KakeWalk @ 16 Aug 2010 23:09)
I think he meant side Heavy drop


in this case it wouldnt matter... side drops are not better than arena drops... just more frequent and often higher tier'ed ;)
the stats are crappy as always. and there would be no sense in having an item dropping in arena but not in the well.

a fun part of the heavies is, that they are rare and hard to obtain. i am still looking for a spear between 25 and 35 with propper ee and also for a mq-spear. guess what, there is none... i get along with that and just w8 and hope to be that lucky, that a guildy finds one or lets me well one ;)
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#42
Aug 16 2010 03:27pm
Quote (DeadlySanity @ Aug 16 2010 03:19pm)
Actually, I think Heavy's should be arena only, rather than cata only.


^This.

Anyone else agree or is it just me? :o
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#43
Aug 16 2010 03:32pm
Quote (DeadlySanity @ Aug 16 2010 05:27pm)
^This.

Anyone else agree or is it just me? :o


Just you on this one
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#44
Aug 16 2010 04:16pm
Quote (derDrops @ Aug 16 2010 05:16pm)
in this case it wouldnt matter... side drops are not better than arena drops... just more frequent and often higher tier'ed ;)
the stats are crappy as always. and there would be no sense in having an item dropping in arena but not in the well.

a fun part of the heavies is, that they are rare and hard to obtain. i am still looking for a spear between 25 and 35 with propper ee and also for a mq-spear. guess what, there is none... i get along with that and just w8 and hope to be that lucky, that a guildy finds one or lets me well one ;)


I think the difference in opinion here is that you already have a good mq heavy....oh wait, you have the only one in the game. I think if someone else owned it(not in your guild) you may have a different opinion. Maybe you guys think that adding heavies to the arena would make them common? I think not. I've been in search of an mq dagger w/240%+ for a while now. There are only a handfull that exist(4 that I know of...~Devil~(240%), Stok3d(254%), Phillygreen(257%), Lefek(259%) <-- adding that in case there is another and someone can point me in the right direction). If these were added, I think it would take a very long time still, before another good mq heavy was spawned. They would still be very very rare and would not lose value...if anything it would go up since it would be possible to get an entire set.
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#45
Aug 16 2010 04:40pm
The idea is somewhat of an old issue... I have not read everything, but, I will undoubtedly put my 2 cents in.

1. They should not drop in Arena and Catacombs... one or the other
2. If #1 is not an option, then maybe we can have heavies drop when Welling items (unsure if they do, I have not personally found any welling)

The problem with having them Drop in Arena is that the people that can solo effectively have more chances of obtaining those items and making more profit etc, yes I know other people like myself that can solo with sub gear have an equal chance in this area, only thing is... our MCCs do not give us higher chance in finding any of those godly items.

As for Well of Evil, I guess would be the same issue... but then... I like to well items as I grind.

Reasons why it should not be readily available.
1. Driving catas, we already know that these guys using Heavies give them an added vantage.
2. Every tom, dick and harry will be using them and the price of other weapons will decline as more heavies are found

I wonder what the 208 ee heavy is worth now... is it worth more than the 270ee Sword that had a 100k fg price?

No need more heavies.
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#46
Aug 16 2010 05:29pm
Quote (HoR_Rahl @ 17 Aug 2010 00:16)
I think the difference in opinion here is that you already have a good mq heavy....oh wait, you have the only one in the game.  I think if someone else owned it(not in your guild) you may have a different opinion.  Maybe you guys think that adding heavies to the arena would make them common?  I think not.  I've been in search of an mq dagger w/240%+ for a while now.  There are only a handfull that exist(4 that I know of...~Devil~(240%), Stok3d(254%), Phillygreen(257%), Lefek(259%) <-- adding that in case there is another and someone can point me in the right direction).  If these were added, I think it would take a very long time still, before another good mq heavy was spawned.  They would still be very very rare and would not lose value...if anything it would go up since it would be possible to get an entire set.


i am well aware of this fact... i would not mind tbh. i would use my lvl 45 or i would have bought the 55 with 8x ee 2x dex. or i would do it like i do with spears... using another more effective weapon on 55+ or casting ;)

i started with a patchwork of daggers, axes, longswords and spears. i used whatever most effective i had available. np :)

and its rly not like there are no recently dropped heavies with mentionable ee ;)
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#47
Aug 16 2010 05:30pm
Quote (derDrops @ Aug 14 2010 09:01pm)
style should stay rare!

nn every rand running around with heavies :P


yea I agree. We'll just keep them centralized around 1 rand ;)
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#48
Aug 17 2010 02:07am
Quote (izParagonzi @ Aug 16 2010 06:40pm)
The idea is somewhat of an old issue... I have not read everything, but, I will undoubtedly put my 2 cents in.

1. They should not drop in Arena and Catacombs... one or the other
2. If #1 is not an option, then maybe we can have heavies drop when Welling items (unsure if they do, I have not personally found any welling)

The problem with having them Drop in Arena is that the people that can solo effectively have more chances of obtaining those items and making more profit etc, yes I know other people like myself that can solo with sub gear have an equal chance in this area, only thing is... our MCCs do not give us higher chance in finding any of those godly items.

As for Well of Evil, I guess would be the same issue... but then... I like to well items as I grind.

Reasons why it should not be readily available.
1. Driving catas, we already know that these guys using Heavies give them an added vantage.
2. Every tom, dick and harry will be using them and the price of other weapons will decline as more heavies are found

I wonder what the 208 ee heavy is worth now... is it worth more than the 270ee Sword that had a 100k fg price?

No need more heavies.


not a chance....
i really don't know how many people actually enjoy using heavies. regardless of the ridiculous damage. personally, slowing the attacks down simply is aggravating and i find it very boring.
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#49
Aug 17 2010 12:48pm
Quote (FloppyWaffles @ Aug 17 2010 03:07am)
not a chance....
i really don't know how many people actually enjoy using heavies. regardless of the ridiculous damage. personally, slowing the attacks down simply is aggravating and i find it very boring.


Putting two attacks together mathematically does more damage. Since, rather than the enemies defense being applied twice, (once for each normal attack), it's only applied the once.

For example, and enemy has 100 physical def, and you have a normal weapon that hits 500, and a heavy with the same EE that hits 1000.

The two attacks with the normal will do (500-100)*2 = 400*2 = 800
While the single attack with the heavy will do (1000-100) = 900

Obviously, because of this, heavies become much more effective against enemies with high def, like EP's, Quests, and Wells... which really is the only place people struggle with imo. :p

... of course, the only problem is, with the extra cost of heavies, you'll probably end up paying the same amount that you could get a normal weapon with more EE for, which would probably do the same damage per second.
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#50
Aug 17 2010 01:03pm
Quote (DeadlySanity @ 17 Aug 2010 20:48)
... of course, the only problem is, with the extra cost of heavies, you'll probably end up paying the same amount that you could get a normal weapon with much more EE for, which would probably do much more damage per second.


fixed for u...

Quote (DeadlySanity @ 17 Aug 2010 21:08)
Thanks. ^-^ <3

Was actually referring too the same DpS vs high def EP's, Quests, and Wells though. But yeh, would be MUCH more damage vs regular mobs.

Right now, imo, heavy weapons are mostly a display of your wealth, as a decent set would cost you much more fg and time than it would take to get any other set.


true, they are only for lovers. ppl who want to dedicate to them...
and like i alrdy stated, i would like it to stay like that. i want them to stay special.


This post was edited by derDrops on Aug 17 2010 01:12pm
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