I did not quote you, I was talking in general with all responses.



You could be right, if I assumed that skilling only meant static skills, then I would agree wholeheartedly, but, melee, casting and healing is still a skill... is it not?

EDIT: come to think of it, then we don't need skill tree tables for weapons, elemental charms or healing charms by your logic.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jul 9 2016 04:21am

You did not say anything out the unordinary and u have a valid point, but what it is..is he said easier all skilling skills which all can be easier, not gear profs he would say xp bonus

I didnt even consider gear profs, but i did test it out a few hours before i posted, i did not see an increase

No, they are not. Click on Ladders, click on skills, listed items are muting, fishing, cooking, suffusencing and glyphing. That is the easiest way to see what he (Njaguar) considers "Skills" as that is how he separated them on the proficiency ladder. Charms/Melee have their own tabs, and noone in the community (that I was aware of until today) ever considered combat proficency as skills.

You asked for proof that we get less prof from skilling under this event? Unless someone has detailed screenshots and hours of data, their isn't any. I think Hayden is one of few that did several hundred items and immediately noticed a lower average on how much proficiency he gained per item. Best way to find out if you gain less proficency? Well, lets suffusing as an example: You can level it normally by completing the item (lets say on average you get 15-20 points for using the correct tier of essence and not higher. If you complete it halfway through, you do NOT get that full bonus. Try it out. If you use the cheater method (burn up essences and just abort for a few prof points) you clearly do not gain much because you are not completing a certain percentage of the skill. I don't know how to make it more clear than that. If you use essences AbOVE your tier (or the same for cooking higher tier fish than your level) it is more proficiency per action. With this event, if you normally level these skills, you can FEEL the difference in experience almost immediately over the course of 20-30 actions, mutes, suffs etc. This is what I have seen, so I guess you would need Niclas, Inkarnon and others that do heavy skilling, to post on.

Paul has NEVER EVER introduced anything into this game that was beneficial, that did not come without a cost or penalty in some form. It just doesn't happen in our world of LS.

Oh yeah, i guess I forgot the obvious: Skills are 15% EASIER to do....... What do we need on our melee/charms to do to be 15 % easier? You click and the action is completed.....thats it.

This post was edited by HylianHero on Jul 9 2016 04:53am

Your rant has just proven a point...

You think you know what Njag is thinking, you assume that your interpretation is the same as his... please understand this, I do agree that it would be reasonable to think exactly what you have stated, BUT, I am not Njag, NOR ARE YOU, so stop coming up with crap nonsense that you are talking on his behalf... UNTIL he states otherwise, neither you or I can be correct... so... simply put, don't talk shit when you don't know what he has put in place... just like everyone else [including myself] coming up with an assumption of how WE as individuals interpret the wording of the fucking EVENT.

Damn... think outside the square or just be a fucking square. It is a point of view that can be taken either way for fuck sake... know wonder the young generation only think with tools and don't use commonsense.

EDIT: my interpretation:

To obtain a skill, one needs to practise in that art.
Melee for example is a COMBAT skill, yet, it is still a skill, just like fishing is a skill... note: some will say that fishing is an easier skill to obtain in comparison, and others would disagree.
Cooking for example is a CULINARY skill, yet it is still a skill, just like casting magic... note: some will say that casting magic is harder than cooking, and others would disagree.
And thus we have an explanation about skills... it has NOTHING TO DO WITH FUCKING PROF POINTS.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jul 9 2016 06:39am

skills are skills ^^ i dont understand this nonsense going on
if njaguar would improve our prof gain with weapons or charms he would have told us.
skills are muting, glyphing, cooking, fishing and suffing.. nothing else. i dont even know why we are even talking about that

Ladder Slasher portal -> Skills -> http://ladderslasher.d2jsp.org/index.php?g=7

gg no re

"Your rant has just proven a point..." The only one ranting is you. I stated basically what the ladder has listed as far as what proficiencies are listed as. You immediately criticize EVERYONE else as being wrong by wording your RANTS as being right because we are narrow-sighted? Please, take a dose of your own medicine.

"BUT, I am not Njag, NOR ARE YOU, so stop coming up with crap nonsense that you are talking on his behalf." Never said I was him. My comments are based of MY experience playing the game and seeing what was added or removed and how it has impacted gameplay in both groups AND solo play.

"simply put, don't talk shit when you don't know what he has put in place" - He has told me on vent everything added, good or bad, has checks/balances put in place for overall consistency of the game. Hence my comment that nothing benefical in the game has EVER been added SOLELY for a benefit, there has been a counterbalance.

"coming up with an assumption of how WE as individuals interpret the wording of the fucking EVENT." Are you serious? Again skills are listed on the ladder that Njaguar POSTED HIMSELF. Stop using YOUR interpretation to DISPROVE what I am listing as how the portal is setup by the SITE MODERATOR. Event states skills are 15% EASIER TO DO. So if you are right, please explain to me/us how clicking on monsters with weapons or charms can be 15% easier if they are a skill (which none of us would EVER be able to prove)? THINK OUTSIDE THE FVCKING BOX PLEASE. Not so fun to hear that huh?

"And thus we have an explanation about skills... it has NOTHING TO DO WITH FUCKING PROF POINTS." One of your previous responses to us stating we gained less prof points is what sparked that discussion. We stated based off of our experience we were gaining less due to the event. I already stated I do not have numbers, facts or screen shots to prove that. However several individuals have done mass skilling and already posted based off their experience that the numbers of proficiency gained are less. Who are you to discredit that when your not even playing or have tried the event?

The moral of this story is that we all have valid points and differing view points. However we have made comments, yet YOU come in and try to theorize or discredit everything we say and imply we are the idiots. I could play devil's advocate and make responses to atagonize the situation (which I already did to several of your points against mine) but its unecessary to continue further. I cannot make you see my point of view, because you refuse to do so based off our INTERPRETATIONS. So I will simply state that my interpretation is my own. You can disagree with it, but I really don't care.

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This post was edited by Paparick on Jul 9 2016 07:50am

Skills are different than abilities guys... C'mon... And I personally think of skilling this way. What skill takes the most time and gives the most prof? Transmuting, I normally recieve around 40 to 45 exp. what skill takes the least time? Fishing. Does fishing get the same prof as transmuting? No because it takes less time/easier. You can literally see the difference. This event I recieve 30-35 ish for all of the mutes.

Prof gain is a bell curve. And most likely a function of difficulty. Ie doing a max tier mute takes more time because it is harder so you get more prof. It's not uncommon for a muter to spend 5 minutes on a mute, ATM my average is around 2.5 minutes, I'm sure 50+ muters spend 5 mins a mute on average.

Incase anyone is wondering I also track what roll chances are for stats on muting. Think lots of zeros

well i did a few suffs, and im not surpirsed 1 bit...the time is increased 15% longer and the exp is exactly the same, that would mean it aint even worth using a higher tier essence atm.


cooked 35 fish, sure its much easier, but the exp is lower.
People who cook higher tier fish with this event..its still not worth it, you might aswell cook the fish 90-95% for more exp and conserve ur stacks

Only skills worth doing is glyphing and fishing, worst event ive seen, just my opinion

This post was edited by richboy1991 on Jul 9 2016 09:48am