You miss the point... you can play how you want to benefit your playstyle, but a prof hunter doesn't fall into your category of right or wrong, anyway, I took too much time in posting below... read if you want, but I will say that it is tl;dr scenario:



Let me reverse the question since I am testing how to gain consecutive prof gain per "Click" action more effectively based on Prof hunting and NOT speed running.

How many click actions do you do in a FULL group climb whistling from level 1 to 16.95? What is your total actions. Now start off with an item that has 0 Rank when you test this out. Use your best gear and post it here or in Kirby Chat which is better.

I am currently level 16.95
Total Actions: 1834
Total Prof Gain: 673
Total Avg %: 36.69

Since I use heavy weapons, my speed is 1.8 sec, so if I calculate each action by 1.8 and excluding item switch / stat placing etc, this would be a total of 3301 seconds (not sure how to change it to minutes, doubt that is 33 minutes, so like 3.3 minutes, or like 11 minutes) or 5m 50s.

Anyway, I am sure you can get to that level faster in a full whistle group climb, but how many clicks & prof did you gain?

EDIT: Forgot to mention, that 36.69% average is a combination of Whistling / Exploring & Welling while solo'ing. Now all I need to do is become familiar with the changes to benefit prof gain, ML hunt, explore, whistle & welling all in one at a decent speed for me solo'ing.

#2: did take the time to check your character : https://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?c=3&i=372649&p=518392
1/3 MQ attempts & 19xx prof points to rank 2... so like you stated basically 3000 prof point gain in a single 1 hour whistle climb. Oh shit that is great, let us compare notes:

Rank 1 Sword 1921/2000 (2921)
Rank 1 Staff 324/2000 (1324)
Rank 0 Ice 442/1000
Rank 0 Fire 344/1000
Rank 0 Earth 335/1000
Rank 0 Wild 535/1000
Rank 0 Heal 1/1000
Rank 0 Focus 9/1000
... 1921+ 324+ 442+ 344+ 335+ 535+ 1+ 9 = 3911 (forgot to add the 1000 prof points for Rank 1 x 2 = 2000 total add) Prof points gained with 1/3 MQ attempts (since there isn't an Action Total, let us ignore that for now) Oh, just to be on the up n up... I add this: Kills: 28,767

Breakdown: 5911 prof gain / 3 MQ attempts and 28.767 Monster kills (you can do the calculations later)
VS a dumbass Buffcore character iZZi (oh, I will divide everything by 3 because I have 7 MQ's under my belt Oh w8... shouldn't I have 9 MQs for this... basically don't need the extra 2 full climbs to prove this point)

Rank 2 Club 485/3000 (3485)
Rank 2 Longsword 2811 (5811)
Rank 1 Warhammer 1778 (2778)
Rank 6 Battleaxe 4643 (25643)
Rank 6 Spear 4153 (25153)
Rank 1 Polearm 210 (1210)
Rank 1 Wild Heal 903 (1903)
Rank 5 Reg Heal 5643 (20643)
Rank 3 Focus Heal 287 (6287)
Kills: 32,965
... damn, calculator time: 92913 prof point total: Now to divide by 10 = 9291.3 prof point gain over 10 Master Quests

Omfg... I did not take into account Monster Kills also:
YOU: Kills: 28,767 (3MQ attempts)
ME: Kills: 32,965 (7MQ attempts)

Oh, maybe I should divide my Prof total by 12 to get close to your 1 hour full group climbs in gaining prof points? sec, let me work it out for you:
... 7742.75 prof point gain dividing 7 MQ attempts by 12.
... 5911 YOUR prof point gain for 3 MQ attempts that has NOT been divided by 12

You lose, even if you did 12 hours of full group climbs, you can still not beat my Bufcore character.

EDIT again... (omfg what now damn it).

That 32k kills on iZZi includes a LOT of Azapnid monster kills that give 0 prof points etc. And since you group run, you don't really have that issue of clicking 8 out of 9 times getting 0 prof, shit, even if you use Multi... the only prof gain you would be able to get is either 0 or 1 for that click vs Azapnids' ability of 8 extra Mirage.images.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jan 20 2021 03:20am

About the azapnid thing, are you considering that on whistle climb we use multistrike a lot, which can give us 9 actions but only 1 prof point?

I think the prof/action rate is higher on solo climbs.

I'd aim to find the way to get best prof/min rate, instead of prof/action

This post was edited by legirotto on Jan 20 2021 04:59am

Could not resist this post:

After all the debates in this thread and others, Paul will change things for the next update, there are 3 things he can change:

#1 Nerfing prof gain (most likely what he normally does)
#2 Increase % rate of prof gain for groups (which is what I would like Paul to change, benefiting those Whistling etc in full group runs)
#3 A combination of #1 (nerfing solo players) and #2 (increasing the % rate in group runs)

Now if we look at this logically:
Increasing the maximum prof gain to 15 per wave;
... The rules still apply: #1 Character level higher than Rank level to gain prof point(s). #2 Successful Hit check to gain either 0 or 1 prof point gain per click action (excl abilities). #3 % rate remains the same for Attack prof gains either Melee or Cast charm, this also includes the % rate for using Heal type charms.

Honestly, I am torn about Paul increasing Prof maximum to 15... I would love this shit to happen because I personally would benefit from it (well if I was using Normal weapons instead of Heavy weapons). Yet, I think this would more benefit FULL group climbs vs the amount of TIME you all put into it with either whistling or exploring as a full group etc.

End Note: I expect another nerf to prof gain after all the posts and numbers provided. So get the best out of it while you can.

I was typing up the previous post at the same time you posted your comment I quoted.

Basically I am talking about "Click" actions, just like all games the golden rule is: "The more you click the more rewards"

So, in reality where a lot of the respondents to my posts have NOT taken into effect while in a full group climb is to take the TOTAL actions of EACH member in that 1 HOUR group run and TOTAL PROF POINTS gained (multiplied by 5 players) etc vs a Solo character with the same amount of actions and prof point gain... it DOESN'T matter if the solo player MQ'd once vs the Full group doing 2 MQ climbs etc.

Right... back to the question:

Monster Kills:
Azapnid Ability spawns 8 Mirage monsters and he is on screen (9 monsters) ... (9 monster kills, but ONLY 1 of them will give you either 0 or 1 prof point) ... doesn't matter if you are in full group or solo'ing using Multistrike or 1 action at a time... the Total Monster kill # is going to be 9 EDIT: gaining either 0 or 1 prof point even if you use Multistrike or single attacks. The only thing that increases are your "ACTIONS" "solo"

Hope that makes sense.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jan 20 2021 05:17am

seriously, how often does azapnid split for you in a group climb? you get maybe 1 in the entire run, the mobs usually die so fast that they don't get a chance. In many cases there are often other mobs still alive so the split only adds 2 or 3 anyway.
However in solo seeing the killing speed is slower, you're refreshing the mobs less so less chance of coming across one.

The main point though is that it's one mob, it doesn't come up that often and is completely redundant anyway. The main issue with him is messing up my numbers when trying to track prof per action in solo.
That mob is not an issue even for a prof hunter, just a hinderance for less than 8 seconds for solo or 1 second for group.



Most likely, he won't care. Prof is in a good place right now. In groups it's around 1000 points per hour and in solo around 500-700 points per hour.
I think getting to prof 10 taking 55 hours of group climbs or 100 or so hours of solo is a fine reward for the effort put in.
i doubt we'll see an increase to 15, 10 is fine and you have the events to occasionally boost that, although imo it's the most pointless event.



Not necessarily, the group clickers are clicking less for the same rewards. As i've already shown, group clickers get 1.5-2 times as many actions per click. So i only have to click half as hard to match you.
However the main problem with groups is that it can take time to fill them. if we spend an entire 20 mins looking for a group that 20 mins is completely wasted, whilst solo players like you can jump in and out as you please.
Could also argue that the group climbs get less drops, only 1 in about 20 of the items from the "sexy drop topic" are from whistle climbs whilst the amount of players in whistle climbs is pretty significant.
There are good/bad for both solo and whistle.



i would be curious how often you're getting 3000 prof points per climb? seems much closer to 1300 per climb (see page 1 with the 1 hour 25 min climb) or perhaps 1500 with low prof (see below)

considering my own HC char and simplifying the numbers:

number of MQs: 19

10,000 sword prof
6500 axe prof
3000 dagger prof
9000 staff prof

28.5k prof gained.
freakishly it's exactly 1500 prof/climb. (well, after i simplified the numbers, but 28500/19 = 1500)

No 101's and a few slower climbs. Mostly 60-70 min climbs.

I was playing a samurai with swords as tank and ended up with over 6k actions

still not enough for 3k prof unless you had a 40%+ prof chance rate which is unheard of with weapons in a group climb. Any chance it's mis-remembered and it's 2 climbs? would make much more sense.