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Jun 21 2011 11:59pm
Can someone show me the rules that state that you cannot bypass the market place fee, or reduce it by putting items up for less?

I've looked through the rules and this is nowhere in there. It's not a loophole, it's pretty simple, if someone wants to sell something vs 1fg they can do that. If someone else wants to give them forum gold, they can. Hell I've donated lot's of people forum gold...and no that doesn't mean I used the vault xfer to sell items. It means I thought someone needed some fg and I gave it to them. So anyways, someone please direct me to this "rule" that I cannot find.
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Jun 22 2011 12:00am
Quote (FatZero @ Jun 22 2011 05:53pm)
I like how nobody seems to care he straight up cheated the ladder slasher community from the tax...


Oh wait, nevermind everyone does it.


He explained it all at the start - your trolling and attention whoring is getting old.

Quote (TooNArmY @ Jun 22 2011 04:31pm)
(1) - First of all, i acknowledge that according to d2jsp Ladder Slasher rules/policy, there are steps in place to avoid scamming completely, so no accusation of scamming in this game will officially be recognized on LS. Second, i acknowledge it was my decision to trust someone, and nothing can be done, and i'm well aware of this. Despite these facts, it is still possibly to deceive one, and steal from people, as we've seen countless times throughout the history of the game.

(2) - I also understand many people on this forum will be pleased to see i've been scammed, and that's fine and expected, there has and will always be immature people around here. If you're too lazy to read and comprehend the situation, you can spam else where.

(3) - Finally, i don't deny that it was my fault to trust Rafaels, and i won't deny that i'm cheap, an offer to save 600 fg was made, and in order to do so, i would have to trust a person i judged could be trusted, he comes from the top LS guild - The Trust, and for the most part, i respect the majority of the members of that guild, have seen Rafaels around for a long time, and i figured in a wage between integrity and pixels, integrity would win, and if not, it would be unfortunate, but life would go on.
I work for my fg, and 600 fg is a considerable amount, so of course i agreed to do that method.

- This trade was done in the same fashion as a Diablo 2 trade, where one person gives first and the other is trusted to deliver the item as agreed, opposed to diablo 2, this trade would've costed me 600 fg to use a 'mediated' method. Which i couldn't really afford.


Ironic :) Could not afford - but could afford to gamble, hah.

I feel for ya Toon, specially when it's someone so well known in LS, you'd feel like you could trust them. Guess it's an expensive reminder to us all not to trust anybody, and use to correct methods put in place to protect us.

Quote (HoR_Rahl @ Jun 22 2011 05:59pm)
Can someone show me the rules that state that you cannot bypass the market place fee, or reduce it by putting items up for less? 

I've looked through the rules and this is nowhere in there.  It's not a loophole, it's pretty simple, if someone wants to sell something vs 1fg they can do that.  If someone else wants to give them forum gold, they can.  Hell I've donated lot's of people forum gold...and no that doesn't mean I used the vault xfer to sell items.  It means I thought someone needed some fg and I gave it to them.  So anyways, someone please direct me to this "rule" that I cannot find.


Just angry little attention whore trolls, trolling. I don't know of any rule - just that the market place is a safer tool to use, to protect us against scammers, thieves.

This post was edited by Shannon on Jun 22 2011 12:02am
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Quote (Deadreborn @ 21 Jun 2011 22:57)
I like how you don't seem to care that this guy was cheated out of 10k+ fg. That's like what, 200+ dollars?

I understand your point of view, that he was indeed trying to use a loophole. But how does that justify the fact that he was scammed? It doesn't, not in my opinion any ways.
I feel sorry for your loss, it must suck big time. Some people put a lot of time into their hobbies and I'm sure you have put loads of time into jsp. To get your hobby completely ravished by a thief can not be fun nor can it be justified in any way. What he did was wrong and where not punishable by "law" will of course be punished by the community.


He didn't get cheated out of shit.

The item was purchased legally from the market place, please show me where he got cheated?


Quote (James84 @ 21 Jun 2011 22:57)
Carefull now, not everyone does it.

The people who do it, know who they are & they also know/should know, that others know everything about them ;)


Everyone does it. When I was selling my armor and sword I had PM offers left and right to vault it over for a reduced price.

I Know a decent chunk of the elitist core do it on the regular to avoid the tax.


Quote (Shannon @ 21 Jun 2011 23:00)
He explained it all at the start - your trolling and attention whoring is getting old.



Ironic :) Could not afford - but could afford to gamble, hah.

I feel for ya Toon, specially when it's someone so well known in LS, you'd feel like you could trust them.  Guess it's an expensive reminder to us all not to trust anybody, and use to correct methods put in place to protect us.


Him explaining he knew he was in violation of the rules doesn't magically "make it right" for him to out right cheat the system.

If thats all it takes to have a pass to do whatever the fuck I want, I'll be sending you a PM shortly.


Quote (Shannon @ 21 Jun 2011 23:00)
He explained it all at the start - your trolling and attention whoring is getting old.



Ironic :) Could not afford - but could afford to gamble, hah.

I feel for ya Toon, specially when it's someone so well known in LS, you'd feel like you could trust them.  Guess it's an expensive reminder to us all not to trust anybody, and use to correct methods put in place to protect us.



Just angry little attention whore trolls, trolling.  I don't know of any rule - just that the market place is a safer tool to use, to protect us against scammers, thieves.


I Don't appreciate the flaming. I've reported your posts and alerted a moderator, but frankly I am not surprised.

This post was edited by FatZero on Jun 22 2011 12:03am
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Quote (FatZero @ 22 Jun 2011 07:01)
He didn't get cheated out of shit.

The item was purchased legally from the market place, please show me where he got cheated?




Everyone does it. When I was selling my armor and sword I had PM offers left and right to vault it over for a reduced price.

I Know a decent chunk of the elitist core do it on the regular to avoid the tax.


This will be my last post, because it seems obvious to me that you are either naive or simply trolling. Both of which I do not feel like wasting my morning on ;)

They agreed upon a price and a method of trade. One person backed midway out and reaped the rewards, the other lost every thing.
To me, that's text book scamming.


GL toon, I'm out.

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Quote (Deadreborn @ 21 Jun 2011 23:02)
This will be my last post, because it seems obvious to me that you are either naive or simply trolling. Both of which I do not feel like wasting my morning on ;)

They agreed upon a price and a method of trade. One person backed midway out and reaped the rewards, the other lost every thing.
To me, that's text book scamming.


GL toon, I'm out.


Oh, I see your oblivious to the in game market place ladder slasher has for trading.

Let me ensure you there is no way to scam in ladder slashers.
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Jun 22 2011 12:04am
Quote (FatZero @ Jun 22 2011 06:01pm)
He didn't get cheated out of shit.

The item was purchased legally from the market place, please show me where he got cheated?




Everyone does it. When I was selling my armor and sword I had PM offers left and right to vault it over for a reduced price.

I Know a decent chunk of the elitist core do it on the regular to avoid the tax.




Him explaining he knew he was in violation of the rules doesn't magically "make it right" for him to out right cheat the system.

If thats all it takes to have a pass to do whatever the fuck I want, I'll be sending you a PM shortly.


Please do us all a favor and show us, link us, where that is stated in the rules.

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Jun 22 2011 12:05am
Quote (Shannon @ Jun 22 2011 01:00am)



Just angry little attention whore trolls, trolling. I don't know of any rule - just that the market place is a safer tool to use, to protect us against scammers, thieves.


ah, but that's just it. He(fatzero) is accusing people of breaking rules when they are not breaking any rules. I mean, if you're going to blow a bunch of hot air, at least have some manners and excuse yourself(or go to the restroom to do it and not do it in public).
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Quote (Shannon @ 21 Jun 2011 23:04)
Please do us all a favor and show us, link us, where that is stated in the rules.


PM Lajo, its scamming.

I've reported other people for it.

Even James84 said in this thread people know they shouldn't be doing it.

You think they would write a tax code and make it easy to bypass? Some sort of "bonus" for thinking out of the box?

Get bent, people like you always abusing the system and say "show me the letter of the law"

The law around here goes by intent.

Quote (HoR_Rahl @ 21 Jun 2011 23:05)
ah, but that's just it.  He(fatzero) is accusing people of breaking rules when they are not breaking any rules.  I mean, if you're going to blow a bunch of hot air, at least have some manners and excuse yourself(or go to the restroom to do it and not do it in public).


PM Lajo, straight from his mouth this is treated the same as scamming. I've reported other people for the same thing.

This post was edited by FatZero on Jun 22 2011 12:06am
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Quote (FatZero @ Jun 22 2011 06:05pm)
PM Lajo, its scamming.

I've reported other people for it.

Even James84 said in this thread people know they shouldn't be doing it.

You think they would write a tax code and make it easy to bypass? Some sort of "bonus" for thinking out of the box?

Get bent, people like you always abusing the system and say "show me the letter of the law"

The law around here goes by intent.



PM Lajo, straight from his mouth this is treated the same as scamming. I've reported other people for the same thing.


Well since you're such good buddies with Lajo - why don't you ask him to state, and quote exactly where it is in the rules, so we can all stone Toon to death for being such a rule breaking bastard.

Please.
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Quote (Shannon @ 21 Jun 2011 23:08)
Well since you're such good buddies with Lajo - why don't you ask him to state, and quote exactly where it is in the rules, so we can all stone Toon to death for being such a rule breaking bastard.

Please.


I don't have the PM anymore, but why would I outwardly lie about something easily verifiable about him? I've seen plenty of people suspended for "lying" when it comes to moderator actions.


All intensity aside I like how people are citing the rules on this.

Do you honestly think that:

A. The site only uses the rules to inflict suspensions, warns, locked tags, or scammer tags? They make decisions based on your actions and intent and not every rule is published, that I promise you.

B. That they created a tax system but allow for people to think of creative ways to exploit it?


You can't be that new or naive you think this practice is okay, this site was created on integrity, not loopholes.

This post was edited by FatZero on Jun 22 2011 12:09am
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