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#31
Jan 14 2011 04:26pm
Quote (Brainwashed @ Jan 14 2011 04:54pm)
What I don;t understand is daggers...

the ratio is 10/90 (str/dex)

can this "ideal" ratio even be reached?

I mean even with absolute perfect dex gear for item tier lvls, it seems like it's rather impossible as gear like that is 1)non-existant or 2) VERY hard to obtain.


This brings us to think that next update might come out with something new?
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Jan 14 2011 04:28pm
Quote (mwm_zyxcba @ Jan 14 2011 05:16pm)
Casting has been weakened significantly over the past 2 versions. Currently there is a very reasonable balance. Casters have a somewhat limited use due to immunes,and the average damage while playing solo is comparable to melee when using items of similar quality. Melee and casting is needed in an ideal group, but it is melee that has the greater usefulness.


I would have to disagree

45 int staff
55 int armor
211% charm

1250 avg damage

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42 str/33 dex armor
45 str/30 dex charm
246% axe

1250 avg damage


Quote (HoR_Rahl @ Jan 14 2011 03:57pm)
I would like a clarification on what Paul said. Does that mean, using clubs, w/ 250 str and 25 dex, that you would get more crits if you increased the lower of the two to say 75 dex?(keeping the 250 str). So, if I had dual stat gear and single stat gear with the same str. Would I do more crits by wearing the gear with dex also, even though it throughs me off the ideal ratio(example is using clubs). I understand that adding 50 dex will give me more damage because of the 90/10 part. I wish to know if the added dex would give more crits, or if getting closer to the ideal ratio provides more.

would still like this answered. Pauls statement could of meant several things.

This post was edited by HoR_Rahl on Jan 14 2011 04:31pm
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#33
Jan 14 2011 04:33pm
higher dexterity means more chance to critical (regardless weapon)
dexterity does not influence critical strikes anymore (as of 1.20)

i nulled cuz for swords/clubs both are(might be) not true

is using the ratio better for crit %'s? or that's just the damage divider from stats? hm...

there's no official word bout what effects crit %'s, so it can change anytime
Quote (SilentXer0 @ 14 Jan 2011 23:37)
go read his post in this thread
whoops ^
Quote (njaguar @ 14 Jan 2011 20:32)
This is correct. Both poll choices are incorrect. Both stats have inverse effects on damage, and the lower stats affects critical strike chance (with exception of the axe, which uses both stats).

ok, so it says it effects the crit %, but not in what way ^_^
'the lower stats' ... so not the higher ones? the lower the lower is better? or the higher the lower?

Basically, does stats according to ratio give the best crit % average?
Quote (derDrops @ 14 Jan 2011 20:26)
both wrong... str and dex are influencing crits according to the weapon ratio. thats at least what is stated. maybe they only influence dmg according to the ratios but crits the same way. so if u put balanced points u would get the most crits.
if this is correct than why do clubs with more dex give better crit %? or just chance... or inconclusive tests...

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Jan 14 2011 04:37pm
Quote (Saku @ Jan 14 2011 05:33pm)
higher dexterity means more chance to critical (regardless weapon)
dexterity does not influence critical strikes anymore (as of 1.20)

i nulled cuz for swords/clubs both are(might be) not true

is using the ratio better for crit %'s? or that's just the damage divider from stats? hm...

there's no official word bout what effects crit %'s, so it can change anytime


go read his post in this thread

the discussion is now about damage and the ratios , and i'm clueless on it

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Jan 14 2011 05:08pm
Quote (Hardcore @ Jan 14 2011 06:45pm)
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=51391620&f=293&o=0#p343516555

ALL MEDS READ..


Not LS related -- Crai elsewhere plz
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#37
Jan 14 2011 05:59pm
2 more cents

although when i stat'd for perfect ratio on swords, 67 dex/ 201 str, it is true that i crit'd more often
the result of doing this was a decreased crit, and a lower average.

tested on same gear with a 121, 141 and 167 mq sword (1000 hits)

when i stated all str ( 40 dex / 245 str ), my crit frequency was reduced
but my crit dmg was higher and my average was increased, and my over all dmg from 1000 hits was significantly higher

when using dual stat gear (29 str/14 dex ) my total dmg over 1000 hits was increased
but the crit frequency was reduced compared to a 29 str robe that kept my "75/25 ratio" intact

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Jan 14 2011 09:08pm
Quote (njaguar @ Jan 14 2011 03:32pm)
This is correct. Both poll choices are incorrect. Both stats have inverse effects on damage, and the lower stats affects critical strike chance (with exception of the axe, which uses both stats).


In which way is crit chance effected based on the lower stat. the lower you keep it the less crits, the higher the more?

Example I use daggers on my rogue so to try and achieve the 10/90 str/dex ratio I go 100% dex leaving my str at 30. If I increased my str above the suggested ratio does it increase or decrease my crit chances.
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Jan 15 2011 05:14am
Posting in a njaguar thread.
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Jan 15 2011 07:01am
Quote (HoR_Rahl @ 14 Jan 2011 21:57)
I would like a clarification on what Paul said.  Does that mean, using clubs, w/ 250 str and 25 dex, that you would get more crits if you increased the lower of the two to say 75 dex?(keeping the 250 str).  So, if I had dual stat gear and single stat gear with the same str.  Would I do more crits by wearing the gear with dex also, even though it throughs me off the ideal ratio(example is using clubs).  I understand that adding 50 dex will give me more damage because of the 90/10 part.  I wish to know if the added dex would give more crits, or if getting closer to the ideal ratio provides more.


from the tests i did right after the ratios were implemented i can tell that more stats are still always better. and thats what paul said in his post aswell.
so to answer your question: yes, you will be doing more damage even though you dont match the "perfect" ratio.

for clubs/swords its like this:
having a lot of str gives a good base damage
having a lot of dex gives a lot of crits
the best results of total average damage will be achieved if you meet the perfect ratio without sacrificing either stat just to achieve it. more overall stats are still better


Quote (lax1989 @ 15 Jan 2011 04:08)
In which way is crit chance effected based on the lower stat. the lower you keep it the less crits, the higher the more?

Example I use daggers on my rogue so to try and achieve the 10/90 str/dex ratio I go 100% dex leaving my str at 30. If I increased my str above the suggested ratio does it increase or decrease my crit chances.


it is increasing your crit chance ofc if you put more points into str.
but it is not worth it on daggers, because you will lose a lot of base damage. so you might crit a lot more, but the crits are lower and your total average is lower aswell.

This post was edited by [fB] on Jan 15 2011 07:04am
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