This is what works best IMO, because:

The Item dropped in has been dragged around by the player. It rested on his vault/mule/whatsoever. Therefore it should be him allowed by the others to grab it first. It is also not correct that casters cant grab wellables because they are full of shrinables. I am pure caster and always have 1 or 2 spaces free to grab sth decent. you only need 4 spaces to grab shrines to get you replenished.

the first item dropped during a well is always the one put in. To make things obvious, the one dropping the item can always say "scale XIV" or sth like that as soon as he drops the item in. If another one takes it (and the team agreed to play according to quoted rule) it is at least bm to "steal" the first item BUT

all other items should be free game, because they were not dragged along by anybody. Everyone in the group contributes to the kill, or even makes the item put in wellable in the first place. You also need to give other ppl a reason to help you well; why should they waste their time to help you get some stuff? They should have at least a fair chance to get the sidedrops.

I believe following this guideline makes everyone happy without implementing anything new. When I first stumbled upon a well in catas, I was in a nice team and excited to do those XIV wells i was unable to do myself before. We all agreed on the mentioned rule and had a lot of fun welling the others and mine wellables. And we did not have any arguments at all, although there were cute side and maindrops.

You cant expect to grab anything yourself noone will help you
You cant expect the weller to declare everything free game why should he drop his XI+ in there in the first place?

A good idea would be not to burn shrinables on lvl 55+ but to drop in items fitting to your lvl. If you keep those VIII's on mule until you find a well at lvl 25-30, then experience gained will be high for everyone, same as fun.

IMO: Find a well, kick everyone who joins.
+ If I play with guidlies: The person who needs the item gets it.

This post was edited by jaywalker on Oct 12 2010 01:25am

This



& This



And u are totally and absolutely wrong about this

Go well more & test more before u make sugestions like this

ktkxbye

This post was edited by SuioMdl on Oct 12 2010 01:32am

i voted no as i agree to most in their stating find a well in solo or guild only runs i solo myself until i find a well. i welled a lvl 55 longsword at lvl 50 using a lvl 45 sword so it can be done with decent gear if noobs or newbs have to well then find friends that can help, other then that their is no need to well in catas especially public catas its a waste of time.

hell with the new catas you dont need decent gear you can run back to town shrine go back whack the monster some more and repeat until monster is dead you should have no problem staying alive

This post was edited by Nocti on Oct 12 2010 01:42am

1. What about them? If everyone has equal opportunity to all items, then the person with 0 fg has every bit as much chance to get something amazing as everyone else in the game. And they're likely to be far less picky about it, too.

2. Anyone can solo well. If you run out of life/mana, go shrine, finish killing. I don't understand what you're saying?

3. To pick up a drop, you click on it. If multiple people click, somebody will get it. It might be that person. They have the same chance as everyone else, as long as they're clicking.

There. Addressed.

As I said, I've played under the general rule that the welled item itself goes to the person who dropped it, sides go to whoever grabs them. And as I've said, at this point, I agree with dano. Everyone participated in killing the mobs that dropped the white, everyone participated in killing the well, everyone's entitled to clicking on anything pretty. If you don't like it? Solo your well, guild-kill your well, or stop picking up whites.

Although, after seeing this topic, others, and in-game bitching, I'd much prefer the well be removed from non-guild group games altogether.

3 sec advantage for you means 2 sec for the rest to still click and get the chance

afaik the counter is still at 5 seconds...simple math.

Read more? Guess not... so be right in your own mind.



Your explanation only depicts what you would do...
You state that you do not pick up whites, so of course you will accept side drops as FFA.
You also argue this point so profusely with minimal change in your examples and you only quote what you want.

1. besides 0 - XXX fg amount and everything being fair game is basics... pity I think about the new person starting out and trying to help that person
2. incorrect... not anyone can solo well... you forget that if they do not have shrines, and are trying to well, then they can not carry on... sheez poor example by you.
3. as simplistic as it is, that does not necessarilly mean to say that you should not "GIVE" a 30% - 40% ee item to the new person as you have better gear... it is called kindness without sacrifice

As for the general rule, each individual has a View, whether it is in correspondence to yours, or mine... when I use to get guildies to well items, it also included that I get the side drop as well, and in all cases this happened, and I also do the same in return when I welled for other guild members...

We agree to disagree then...



I think you misunderstood the suggestion:
first 3 sec only the weller can see item(s)
remaining 2 sec all can see the item(s) that maybe still there

Votes are simple... pretty even...

Good points made by all... and once again it is a matter of Views.

did u even tried welling solo? Good Luck Getting a Backdrop

TEST FIRST! The Backdrops appear in a full game because it's a full game, so everyone deserves the Backdrops.

All mine doesn't work cry less, or go find a solo well, and get one item out of the well by yourself ... (in case u didn't get it the item u trow in there)

This post was edited by SuioMdl on Oct 12 2010 03:30am

I vote "Yes" on this.!

thats the most fair imo.

He's saying that whatever the person who dropped the item in the well wants, they have 3 protected seconds to grab, and it goes to them. Whatever is left is FFA.



1. I don't understand what you're saying. Me personally? I have 21K fg, 15K loaned to a guidy, and not a clue what to do with it. I'm looking for shrines, or something useful. I keep 7 slots (or perhaps 8 or 9, depends on maze quest) for shrinables, 1 for something useful. When I go to town to shrine, I drop excess in my vault, then fill back up with more shrines. I have a 500 slot vault. There's lots of rooms for shrines. If I'm in a bad team, I can use them all on ambush. If we hit sneaky, I can use them all on sneaky. What's the confusion? I "help" the newbies in the group by spending my time to get them to MQ, tending to avoid some of the "nicer" drops that won't help me, but might make their day, and helping them get to MQ.

2. Uh... Regen still works, even if a well is summoned, as long as you idle in town for a bit. Sorry mate, you ARE wrong. Anyone can solo well.

3. I don't understand what you're saying. Your justification for this idea that you play god with wellables is that you can bypass what you view as complete shit? And this makes you a better person?

And no, since you are suggesting a change to the game mechanics, the actual programming of Ladderslasher, we can NOT agree to disagree. If you are in a team, IDEALLY the person who most benefits from the drop within that team gets it. Since that'll never happen, anything that drops is fair game for anyone who wants it. Perhaps paul made it such for a reason?