Quote (benell @ Mar 16 2010 09:47am)

I don't understand just get 28axe/dagger/casting and heal prof and you are fine. that + a 5% quickdraw glyph.

Btw Izi & Dom, I haven't really took the time to read your e-matching posts but you guys should kiss and make up with your prof points
have to laugh at this... well said

Well to be honest, the best way to gain profs as they are a passive addition to your char (you don't have to do anything special to gain them besides clicking, which you should be doing anyway). Is just click and MQ, saying that someone is the best prof hunter because they reroll or use vitality setups to gain more profs, we all know what happened with the last 2-3 ppl that gained profs in that fashion

-20 dagger for dumbo?
-10 sword for homero?

Quote (izParagonzi @ Mar 15 2010 12:24pm)

Let me set some people straight.
1. It does not take very long for a person to gain ranks in Casting...
2. You do not need GFG gear to get those ranks faster
3. Good casters in Catacombs make good melee characters look mediocre (unless vs EPs or no AoE)
4. Mana is only an issue on Alchemist, as they do not use a weapon... but they also have mass mana to compensate
5. It is a new age... Hybrid Melee/Caster is the way to go on 90% of other characters... mind you... even a Warlock would be ideal

Let us put it this way...
Caster / Melee Hybrid is the way to go for Catacombs

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 16 2010 11:28am)

Sorry izzy, but I can't quote your last post, as it's a load of bullshit and drivel.

A quick reminder:

1. Your casting prof is shit, and everything you said in your little rant you just got finished with indicates you build for melee, and merely use your mana to get a few low casting profs, to up your overall prof numbers.
2. Nope, it's about the number of casts, and when you're meleeing the majority of your kills, you aren't getting as many as you should, aka optimizing (no shit, eh?)
3. The team has to be balanced, and the casters can't have shitty profs, or mana becomes an issue.
4. Again, we're talking about building CASTER profs, yes? Quit getting distracted.
5. For cata? Didn't you just finish talking about how wonderous casters are in cata? Yet the amount of time and effort and focus it takes to properly build CASTING profs is unmatchable.

BTW, as far as your idea of switching to melee gear on your cata caster? If you run out (as a mage, no less, warlock and alch really don't, if the team has balance) at 85% of level (my average, in The Trust runs, with no TD), then you're talking, with levels running an average of 1 to 2 minutes, about 9 seconds to 18 seconds of non-casting. Seeing as the mage is likely to be the driver, as the mage is killing, not healing, between the switch, then the switch back after level, you're talking of 5 seconds worth of pause. Now consider that the other two casters are still able to pop waves. The end result? You just slowed down the climb. Congratulations. And if you get a driver like me? I'm sure as hell not going to slow down so you can utilize 15 different gearsets during a climb, NOR will I want you in the team if I'm FORCED to remake every 10 levels so you can hold all your gear, not to mention waste trapdoors, because you're trying to play 2 characters, rather than the one we wished for the team.

Keep your shit on topic, and THINK before you post. Otherwise, it's all little more than a barely legible rant.

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BTW, as far as your idea of switching to melee gear on your cata caster? If you run out (as a mage, no less, warlock and alch really don't, if the team has balance) at 85% of level (my average, in The Trust runs, with no TD), then you're talking, with levels running an average of 1 to 2 minutes, about 9 seconds to 18 seconds of non-casting. Seeing as the mage is likely to be the driver, as the mage is killing, not healing, between the switch, then the switch back after level, you're talking of 5 seconds worth of pause. Now consider that the other two casters are still able to pop waves. The end result? You just slowed down the climb. Congratulations. And if you get a driver like me? I'm sure as hell not going to slow down so you can utilize 15 different gearsets during a climb, NOR will I want you in the team if I'm FORCED to remake every 10 levels so you can hold all your gear, not to mention waste trapdoors, because you're trying to play 2 characters, rather than the one we wished for the team.

Keep your shit on topic, and THINK before you post. Otherwise, it's all little more than a barely legible rant.

Quote (izParagonzi @ 15 Mar 2010 23:12)

Q. Didn't dumbo/homero get reduced based on diddling the way they gained prof points?
Something about gaining profs in Arena taking on lower level monsters?
And that has been corrected now?

I know that I do not gain profs for:
1. Level 5 character / Rank5 Ice / Welling TierIII item (making monster level 10)
2. Level 40 character / Rank20 Sword / Taking on Level 39 Monster in Arena (making monster level higher than rank level)
3. Level 8 character / Rank5 Ice / In a catagroup make by level 5 character

Quote (Rippeman @ 16 Mar 2010 01:09)

do welling tier 3 items really spawn lvl 10 mobs? the item still is lvl 1 useable'
if so that would mean you are spawning lvl 65 mobs when welling lvl 55 items on lvl 55 char lvl, and i do not believe it does

Quote (Rippeman @ Mar 16 2010 12:09pm)

do welling tier 3 items really spawn lvl 10 mobs? the item still is lvl 1 useable'
if so that would mean you are spawning lvl 65 mobs when welling lvl 55 items on lvl 55 char lvl, and i do not believe it does

Quote (Svartermetalisk @ 16 Mar 2010 01:10)

You are in fact spawning 65 mobs when you are welling any 55 item on any lvl.

Drop a 55 sword in the well when your char is lvl 1 and get one-shotted if you don't belive me.

Quote (izParagonzi @ 16 Mar 2010 01:11)

That is correct...

If your character level is 55
Item dropped in well is level 55
Monster is level 65... this is why you can get level 55 items drop while being level 55

Quote (Rippeman @ Mar 16 2010 12:11pm)

ofc you are getting a 65 mob when you drop it in on lvl 1, you are not the same lvl or higher than the lvl of the item

actually never noticed that
but i personally dont usually make our 50+ whites

Quote (izParagonzi @ 16 Mar 2010 01:05)

I guess you can not argue facts aye... that is why you did not quote my response...
Anyway... answering the most valid points of your debate.

1. Rank5 is better than Rank0... so get off your high horse and get down to earth.
1a. I started melee... imagine if I didn't?... now that updates have been made... caster is where it is at in catacombs
1b. As a Ninja... I still gain the same amount of profs in casting as I would no matter what character... only difference is that mage etc have more mana thus overtime is faster

2. Optimizing comes in many ways... I choose to Optimise what is available at the time... precision tactics utilising effectiveness in catacombs... Cast wave of 6+ / Melee Wave of 5-...
3. No kidding... did you not read the bolded part... or was it not plain enough?.... "Good Casters"
4. Once again you can not argue my gain in casting ability... Let me put it this way... I know for a fact that I can surpass your ICE rank... but real life is more important than proving a point to you.
5. Yes I did state cata... did you not state fastest proficiency gain... and then give a whole lot of BULLSHIT scenarios even including McClain in the picture knowing full well that he Arenas, 99% of the time and that Arena is the fastest place to gain proficiency points?...



this quoted dribble makes me laugh...
1. You like hybrid Melee / Healer... yet you think Melee / Caster is BS
2. Your dribble is based on Mage/Lock/Alch only... if that was the case... any fvcking moron knows that Int is primary... mana pool is necessary and conserving it is basic.
3. If you want to argue your prof gain with a Guild catarun... then be a moron then... of course if I was to do the fvcking same... I would gain more points than you...
4. Ever heard of "CTRL+Click"... omfg it does not take a fvcking Maths Genius to realise that you do not slow the team down by switching fvcking gear... use some brains
5. OMFG... basics... basics... 5-55... I hold gear from 5 - 35 (making cata non stop to level 45... unless other people are not set)... Then break for 45/55 gear... and boom... no more stopping for breaks...

Your opinions are boring... you try to argue symantics based on your gaming strategy... hey... guess what... I do the fvcking same thing...

Quote (Svartermetalisk @ Mar 16 2010 12:17pm)

I think I read fvcking like 6 times in that post.

Someone is getting angry over here