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May 24 2009 08:34am
Quote (ThorThunderGod @ Sun, May 24 2009, 11:29am)
so what your saying is that those guys are not to be trusted :D


Especially that insane one :ROFL:
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May 24 2009 08:55am
Quote (arxyn @ Sun, May 24 2009, 08:23am)
Someone should test this with a pure str guardian. Since it has lowest
possible dex of all characters as well as being able to wear heavy armors.

Not only that but it has relativly high int which would help reduce confusion in the hits taken by a caster and hits taken by a CS.

Anyone catastar up for this?



I will do a climb now with full STR guardian. Gotta try and find a STR plate to wear during the test now tho. :headscratch:
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May 24 2009 08:59am
Quote (coolbreeze @ Sun, May 24 2009, 02:15pm)
Are you actually trying to add anything useful to this topic or are you just trying to spam??? Looks to be the latter as far as I'm concerned. So, 48 MQs in 1 years time on HC starting with nothing sucks huh??

Tell you what BOB..... since you are spouting off at the mouth every chance you get. Let's do a little test Mr. Big Man!!!

Both start a char on HC and climb him with no gear except what you find from slashing that climb and only doing it solo in arena. Let's see who has better experience playing the game and how long your chains are. ;)

Here's my guess............ you'll cry (I mean make up some pathetic excuse) as to why you don't need to do this. I know, I know Bob... it would be hard for you since all you can play is SC since you have GG gear there. You are such an expert. I'm truly taken back by your abilities. :rolleyes:

edit: it's not a race.... let's just see who can actually make it to MQ. I figure you will quit and say "this is stupid and pointless" before you hit lvl 40. Once I begin, I will continue until I MQ.


I will also be testing with 100dex next climb for those who asked.


What does this have to do with testing str/dex? I'd probably just make a mage in this scenario and it would be as pointless as you describe. It doesn't have anything to do with builds as you describe it. The gear will not be equal as it will be determined by luck. Just seems like you wanted to flex something. Dom thinks dex is the way to go, you've proven that you like str. I don't see why you need a million topics on it, but apparently you do.

Personally I use no points added to str or dex and in the 50 odd melee climbs since the ls nerf I've welled with basically 100% effectiveness. I guess that means both str and dex are pointless ... str is really only a viable stat to add to maze characters imo or late on hybrids.

This post was edited by danomak on May 24 2009 09:03am
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May 24 2009 09:01am
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Are you actually trying to add anything useful to this topic or are you just trying to spam??? Looks to be the latter as far as I'm concerned. So, 48 MQs in 1 years time on HC starting with nothing sucks huh??

Tell you what BOB..... since you are spouting off at the mouth every chance you get. Let's do a little test Mr. Big Man!!!

Both start a char on HC and climb him with no gear except what you find from slashing that climb and only doing it solo in arena. Let's see who has better experience playing the game and how long your chains are. ;)

Here's my guess............ you'll cry (I mean make up some pathetic excuse) as to why you don't need to do this. I know, I know Bob... it would be hard for you since all you can play is SC since you have GG gear there. You are such an expert. I'm truly taken back by your abilities. :rolleyes:

edit: it's not a race.... let's just see who can actually make it to MQ. I figure you will quit and say "this is stupid and pointless" before you hit lvl 40. Once I begin, I will continue until I MQ.


I will also be testing with 100dex next climb for those who asked.


Nice rage. I added exactly what needed to be added to this topic, which is the question, when's the test in solo arena coming out?

This test is in maze, where mobs have little to no dex, and the results were very predictable, which I also mentioned.

And why would I climb with no gear? I've done it before, but why would I wish to waste the time to do it again? YOU are the person trying to prove a point. :)
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May 24 2009 09:14am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sun, May 24 2009, 10:01am)
Nice rage. I added exactly what needed to be added to this topic, which is the question, when's the test in solo arena coming out?

This test is in maze, where mobs have little to no dex, and the results were very predictable, which I also mentioned.

And why would I climb with no gear? I've done it before, but why would I wish to waste the time to do it again? YOU are the person trying to prove a point. :)



Show me how to show test in arena and I'll gladly attempt to give some proven results.

And, this whole thing started because of your "I'm in awe of your experience :rolleyes: " comment. What the hell was that for and how was it helping the topic?? A million topics on the subject?? this is my second one EVER and since the other one had 12 pages, I tried to begin a new one so it wasn't all cluttered with the full results.

Why do you seem so adament on trying to trash a topic and the poster that is helping to posts some test results.

Figured you were a better person than that :headscratch:

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And, this whole thing started because of your "I'm in awe of your experience :rolleyes: " comment. What the hell was that for and how was it helping the topic??


No, this started because I flat stated the results were obvious even without the test.

You proceeded to go off on how you've been playing a year and have a whole 48 MQs worth of experience.

Granted, my 121 attempts and 2.5 years may not make me a god, but I'd say that I've enough experience to know that maze and arena are FAR different, and this test was unnecessary for maze, as very few people argue in favor of dex for damage in maze, especially with daggers, staves, or axes. :)

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No, this started because I flat stated the results were obvious even without the test.

You proceeded to go off on how you've been playing a year and have a whole 48 MQs worth of experience.

Granted, my 121 attempts and 2.5 years may not make me a god, but I'd say that I've enough experience to know that maze and arena are FAR different, and this test was unnecessary for maze, as very few people aregue in favor of dex in maze, especially with daggers, staves, or axes. :)



I never said maze and arena were the same. I also stated with my 48MQs that IMO........ I repeat IMO based on my time playing mostly in ARENA (not sure where you are getting lost here), I found that 70 dex was sufficient and the rest could be used elsewhere more effectively. Then after that, you proceeded with your comment. So ya..... I repeat you are the one adding useless trife which started all this.

Being that the only testing that can be shown accurately is in maze, thats all there is to go with. You are asking for results from an area where you cannot give accurate information on it.


Ohya... pretty much 80% of the people playing LS are doing maze from 55-71 so shouldn't arena be less important factor here?

This post was edited by coolbreeze on May 24 2009 09:42am
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I never said maze and arena were the same. I also stated with my 48MQs that IMO........ I repeat IMO based on my time playing mostly in ARENA (not sure where you are getting lost here), I found that 70 dex was sufficientand the rest could be used elsewhere more effectively. Then after that, you proceeded with your comment. So ya..... I repeat you are the one adding useless trife which started all this.

Being that the only testing that can be shown accurately is in maze, thats all there is to go with. You are asking for results from an area where you cannot give accurate information on it.


70 dex is horrible in arena in my opinion I have done a fair amount of arena climbs HC and SC and that low of dex 60+ and mainly 65+ levels is just ridiculous in comparison to the 130+ish try it and see the difference, easy noticable on the robe classes :)

But then again it is all about preference, if you can make it work and you are happy :) thats fine right?

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Ohya... pretty much 80% of the people playing LS are doing maze from 55-71 so shouldn't arena be less important factor here?


are they?

Quote (feinfuehl @ Sun, 24 May 2009, 16:49)
Yes


Well in that case I am in that 20% category

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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sun, May 24 2009, 03:25pm)
No, this started because I flat stated the results were obvious even without the test.

You proceeded to go off on how you've been playing a year and have a whole 48 MQs worth of experience.

Granted, my 121 attempts and 2.5 years may not make me a god, but I'd say that I've enough experience to know that maze and arena are FAR different, and this test was unnecessary for maze, as very few people argue in favor of dex for damage in maze, especially with daggers, staves, or axes. :)


These results may have been obvious to you but thats not true for a lot of other people.

His other thread was filled with people saying more dex would give him a higher average even in maze catacoms. Some guy even said he'd have 100 dmg higher average. Also people still think dex increases attack speed.

He made this thread to be constructive and your replies arn't very constructive so far.

If you want a test for Arena maybe you should test this, he's testing in maze and sharing results with the community which is a lot more then most people care to do.

Negative feedback like this is one of the reasons some people don't share their results.
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are they?


Yes

This post was edited by feinfuehl on May 24 2009 09:50am
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