Well thing is this though: A noob would most likely be able to gather 20 fgs or so to get a zero EE item for every Tier pretty easy which would make it very do-able.

What WWGA is doing is taking it to the very extreme by not letting us spend a single fg on our gear even if we make it while climbing.

A noob player going in with zero fg is much more likely to succeed in Arena then we are.

Just imo

...except we are already hooked on the game, and have played the standard variation enough that we're a little bored with the daily same-old and are looking for a challenge.

if someone who had never played this game before tried to do this or grind all the way to MQ without a decent fg investment, they'd never make it.

i would agree.. to a point.. since we are mostly doing wwga on HC due to the death factor.. 20fg wouldnt get you to lvl 30 without some balls. .. thats one of the biggest problems im now seeing while i regenerate.. hc market is accually WORSE that i thought it was..

COME ON HC PLAYERS!!! dont shrine those 30-60ee junk items.. toss them on the mp for 1fg.. it MIGHT bring new players in if they could accually gear themselves.. after my climb i plan on going threw my mules and tossing all my extra junk up cheep...

biggest problem with this is .. before the mute nerf.. people was paying ALOT for even junk on hc.. just because you could accually make it back in a few mq's.. now.. it takes TONS of mq's to make a few fg.... no one wants to toss up thier "junk" for "free" due to the fact it USED to be worth something.. kinda nostalgic type players on hc it seems .. i like it

I couldn't agree more, this game is near impossible to start without FG. The only help for this is friendly guilds that lend gear. But should guilds really be the ones fixing the game? Or does the game need a change itself. But I guess this is normal for "free" games. Free to play, fun to play with $$. I mean sure, you seem to be enjoying yourself, just like I did for a bit with my mage(which is somewhat still going, maybe). But you said it yourself before, after this climb you wont do it for a while.

One of the biggest problems too is that you are doing this with a barbarian, the easiest of the starting classes to try this with, hands down. Dont get me wrong, I am in no way knocking you for it, I would have done it too except you were already documenting a melee climb at a fast pace. So I was trying to document a caster version. This thought process is actually what spawned my "feeder breakdown" theory. I can say without a doubt healing with no FG to buy items is completely 100% worthless in solo. Also since INT scales with gear, its not worth using INT as a defensive stat without a bit of gear.

Now keeping in mind this information, lets say you its day 1 for you and you decide guardians sound cool and you want to play one. But you dont have any FG and you dont have a guild. You might as well stop playing before you start. Then someone will say well you should have read a ladder slasher guide. 1 - Most of those guides are very old/outdated. 2 - I dont know about most people, but I enjoy the discovery aspect of a game, figuring stuff out on my own, at least in the beginning.

Sexy find at level 23:

Mystical shell scale armor
Level Req: 10
Physical Defense: 8 to 33
Magical Defense: 5 to 15

+12 Strength
+1% Armor Pierce
+1% Mana Syphon

very nice

ive decided to take a break .. getting wore out running away so much.. after this HC dueling thing is over.. ill be back to running

GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF YOU!!!!!

ok.. so im nuts.. ive decided not to take a break.. aperently .. untill i either mq or die.. im stuck with slashing this way ..

still NO drops.. and still VERY hard to kill stuff. but oh well.. here is a list of my gear so far.. and yes.. i am able to kill still.. just very very few and far between.


Magical sapphire sword
Level Req: 30
Damage: 16 to 161

+11 Vitality



Mystical sapphire chain mail
Level Req: 30
Physical Defense: 31 to 79
Magical Defense: 0 to 18

+11 Max Life
+1 to 4 Mana per Attack
+2% Critical Flux



Magical fire IV
Level Req: 5
Spell Damage: 12 to 32
Mana Cost: 29

+15 Dexterity


+3 regen on all 3.. wep/armor/charm too

do you still get prof i heard if you use a weapon thats a certain lvl below your lvl you won't gain prof any more from it

is it true?



thank you for quick answer i was hoping it wasn't true because that would suck for new players

This post was edited by Ensane on Jul 15 2010 03:08pm

Not at all.

yes.. you still get proph.. but without any ee on my wep.. the 4 ee i get from proph seems kinda pointless imo.

so.. how many of you are still grinding away?? i would love to hear your progress.