Come play Heroes of Newerth(DoTA 1.5) until DoTA 2 comes out. You've probably seen videos of it or even played it, but just incase you havent its literally DoTA with reliable servers, updated graphics, and a match making system. In my opinion it beats the shit out of LoL and if you're patient enough they have sale weekends where it only costs $10 for the game.

This post was edited by KakeWalk on May 11 2011 11:52pm

LoL is 10x better than what HoN is. Sorry. 0$ for unlimited fun.

HoN is more competetive, LoL is more lolsy.

You cant compare them.

I agree with all of this except the facebook part. There is not gear out there to support 10,000 people right now. If this was done the drop system would need to be revamped.

I personally love the 2 hour climbs because it allows for people to enjoy this game and not have it interfere with real life. Now that arena is gone the game is not a 15 min here 30 min there game any more.

Back in season 9 there was almost always 200+ players online, thats more than double the current. Even if we could get back to that it would improve the game drastically.

Complete bullshit.

The difference? With arena, 30 minutes was a good 10-15 levels. Now it's what, 4 levels, 5?

However, it's not that people cannot do it. It's that people simply see no advantage in doing so, when a half hour for 4 or 5 levels compares to a half hour for 20 levels group. The difference is, most groups don't want people who aren't there for the full run. Full run takes an hour and a half to two hours. So, they want the fast climbs, but don't want to dedicate the time, so they won't play.

Tell me, what makes you think FB gamers, or other JSPers will be any different? What makes you think they'll be any more inclined to sit down and focus for the two hours it takes to do even a basic blacktrack speed climb with a decent group? Especially the other JSP members, many of whom have already tried the game and quit because it was too hard without investment, and they didn't wish to "waste fg on this basic game"? Bah.

I don't buy the "evangelical" message, nor do I buy the bible verse. Especially not from a guild that patently refuses to play with people who don't have good gear. "Come join this game, so I can shun you until you spend $10,000 on fg to get gear that makes you minimally acceptable to climb with." Yeah. Right.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on May 12 2011 02:05am

The difference is I dont feel like spamming G and playing whack-a-mole. I dont care if arena took me 8++ hours per climb, it was more fun.

the system is now designed to let the veterans weed out the rookies, isn't this what you all wanted?
all the godly players complain that no one is good enough to play with them anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

not to mention guild points are all but worthless now considering it takes next to nothing to achieve them.

I bet if thier was somewhere for the rookies to play where thier not being booted and called losers they might play, what option do they have left?
spend 3 weeks on 1 climb? does that really seem fair to the new people. Does it even sound like fun?

This post was edited by egib99 on May 12 2011 04:52am

how to bring people to this game ? no idea. sorry. im not a game master. maybe by putting a 200ee item on every created char to help beginners ? probably would help for more peopl to play.

offtopic , for people posted above :

i dont mind taking a low geared guy into the run. as long hes clicking and showing actions / using skills. but if there are 3 lower geared guys in my run, it takes ages , and it becomes dangerous ( for my realm )

also i dont really like black runs. most stupid thing ever. only benefit: you are 30-60 minutes faster . but no evils, no quests, no drops for skillers, no fun , falling asleep.

my 2 cents

at the moment the timeline from start out to having fun is extremly high, even more if starters won't or can't invest.
back in the old days there was a way to start out with close to nothing.

but im just repeating what every1 know...

i think the difference was the old muting system
anyone could get there hands on almost anything
and it could turn into almost anything else
it was simple
non time consuming
and rewarding

and for everyone talking about the 2 hour climbs
u know it cant be done by new players
its still a 4-6 hour journey of grind klik grind

we can see the fun/time factor
and it is appreciated by the already established LS players
but still not enjoyed by new players

and when was the last time any of us volunteered to put aside our own IRL responsibilities
to spend 4 hours or more
to slash with less experienced/new players?

except for a few, and kudos to them,
its us that needs to make the game more inviting
not paul

just imo