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Aug 10 2021 03:08pm
I whistle til like lvl 30, then explore. I think it takes me 4-6 hours just guessing tho
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Quote (Phok @ 10 Aug 2021 23:08)
I whistle til like lvl 30, then explore. I think it takes me 4-6 hours just guessing tho


It is a really bad idea to do that, level 1-30 are some of the most important levels to clear out objectives. You lose out on so many stat points if you don't explore early on, it only makes it harder later on. I had all of these completed at level 30 this climb and it makes a huge difference when you get to 70+ ^^ (it also makes sneaky super easy to kill with your melee char)

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Quote (RabbitRoyal @ Aug 10 2021 05:56pm)
It is a really bad idea to do that, level 1-30 are some of the most important levels to clear out objectives. You lose out on so many stat points if you don't explore early on, it only makes it harder later on. I had all of these completed at level 30 this climb and it makes a huge difference when you get to 70+ ^^ (it also makes sneaky super easy to kill with your melee char)

Objectives Completed
Explore the Maze
A Pinch of Evil
Bits and Pieces
Hack the Horde
Treasure Pest
Soften the Sneaky Shell


Can you explain why clearing out those objectives is so important? It seems like just a couple stats point given per at most
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Quote (Phok @ 11 Aug 2021 00:02)
Can you explain why clearing out those objectives is so important? It seems like just a couple stats point given per at most


Well, it is a lot of stat points when you add them all up. More importantly though, it allows you to spawn sneaky asap which both makes him easier to deal with and you gain more life from it.

So lets's just use the monk as an example... if you kill sneaky at the earliest possible level(15), you will have anywhere between 434-930 extra life when you hit 77 and it's time to mq. If you clear him at level 30 that changes to 329-705 life. If you postpone it to lvl 55, you will only have an additional 154-330 life when you hit 77 so it's almost pointless to kill him that late since you don't really gain anything from it. The sooner you kill him, the more life you will get from it and that allows you to stat more str/dex/int to increase your damage without actually sacrificing life for it.

Pinch: +1 to 2 Stat Points
Bits and Pieces: +2 to 4 Dexterity
TP: +1 to 2 Item Slots, +2 to 5 Stat Points
Sneaky: +7 to 15 Vitality
Ambush: +5 to 10 Dexterity

Lowest possible roll: 17
Highest possible roll: 36

So to say that it's just a few stat points is pretty inaccurate lol, the max roll is half of all stat points you gain while climbing to 71 on a feeder. It all adds up :)
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Aug 10 2021 04:53pm
10-16 hours (Combined game time over a period of days/weeks/months etc)

Too many variables. As people have stated, gear, class, events etc either increase or decrease the time to get from level 1 to MQ.

I hunt for wells, don't like whistling and fully explore, may use maps during certain levels for monster cap and drops, transfer drops to mules or vice versa (when not using a vault or if the vault is full and don't want to spend fg for more space).

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Aug 10 2021 05:05pm
Idk I only solo for prof really, I have never done a speed solo climb as I normally try to make the solo slower for myself by never using a dmg ability etc, but if i wanted to go for speed on a WL im sure i could hit 2h or faster

Quote (Phok @ 11 Aug 2021 00:02)
Can you explain why clearing out those objectives is so important? It seems like just a couple stats point given per at most


Imo your tactic is better, as if u do find all the quests he's talking about and also find ambush quick, then you're sitting there and are fucked because of 4 corners later on, WHICH SUCKS!

So yeah, IMO keep doing what you're doing.
I normally go for maze quest early, and then whistle till i get prof.

This post was edited by NR1 on Aug 10 2021 05:06pm
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Quote (NR1 @ 11 Aug 2021 01:05)
Idk I only solo for prof really, I have never done a speed solo climb as I normally try to make the solo slower for myself by never using a dmg ability etc, but if i wanted to go for speed on a WL im sure i could hit 2h or faster



Imo your tactic is better, as if u do find all the quests he's talking about and also find ambush quick, then you're sitting there and are fucked because of 4 corners later on, WHICH SUCKS!

So yeah, IMO keep doing what you're doing.
I normally go for maze quest early, and then whistle till i get prof.


I don't agree with this at all. Ï would argue that only a complete retard would not complete objectives asap, although it all depends on the event though. If you have massive rooms, you obviously want to delay beating ambush by a tiny bit, but overall, you are doing it wrong by not completing objectives asap. During an event such as the current one, you have no reason whatsoever to not hunt down ambush asap since you don't stand any chance of completing any maze you start after level 50 anyway if your gear is not insanely good. If you start a maze with some decent rooms at first when you are level 55ish, you will be lvl 85-90 by the time you are done with it and it's simply not possible to complete unless you have extremely good gear. When you clear sneaky at 30-35, you will generally spawn ambush at anywhere between level 40-65 which doesn't actually prevent you from clearing mazes. Most of the time, you will be able to start a new one at around lvl 45 and once you are done with that one, there is exactly 0% chance that you are going to want to start another one and complete it.

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Aug 10 2021 08:08pm
dang i didn't realize ppl still said "retard", oh well

anyway, i think it's all just relative to your gear and your preference and what your goals are, there isn't a right way to do it

personally, i don't feel the objectives speed up my climb at the later levels enough to offset the time spent exploring the first bunch of levels so I'm in the whistle for a while and then explore camp for solo climbs

if you're newer and gear is average then i can see more of a reason to do the objectives as they have more benefit
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Aug 10 2021 08:25pm
Quote (RabbitRoyal @ 11 Aug 2021 01:47)
If you start a maze with some decent rooms at first when you are level 55ish, you will be lvl 85-90 by the time you are done with it and it's simply not possible to complete unless you have extremely good gear. When you clear sneaky at 30-35, you will generally spawn ambush at anywhere between level 40-65 which doesn't actually prevent you from clearing mazes. Most of the time, you will be able to start a new one at around lvl 45 and once you are done with that one, there is exactly 0% chance that you are going to want to start another one and complete it.


That's actually complete bullshit. Even as a full group we're able to do a lvl 55 maze before lvl 83, as long as you know how to drive and actually use the catacomb to your favor it's quite easy finishing the maze.
Solo you can EASILY finish before 75 even.

"During an event such as the current one, you have no reason whatsoever to not hunt down ambush asap since you don't stand any chance of completing any maze you start after level 50 anyway"

WIth this event it's even better to not kill ambush early as it's one of the only few times u will actually complete a maze without falling down a trapdoor.



But I guess I'm a complete retard, so by all means dont listen to me!

This post was edited by NR1 on Aug 10 2021 08:32pm
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