Thanks... nice going. Size is nice.

As you can see with my other posts in the Prof thread I setup, I have been trying to find the best "Rate (consistency)" of gaining prof points per click, and solo welling is by far best Rate. Now just have to find out what to use for the tier of the item you drop into the well and character level.

Your approach to Average is more relevant for prof gain for group runs, as there are many variables, but, I will say that it is not the fastest way to gain prof points, but that is dependent on the player(s) goal of playing LS... so for fast GP gain, unlocking characters etc, then it is faster for them.

Thanks again.

The problem with welling is there is only 1 mob. Whilst this maximises your chance of receiving 1 prof per hit. You're not getting any where near the amount of clicks that you do in groups.


For arguments sake, i've solo'd level 1-15 with a warlock with multicast, this isn't particularly fair, but this is probably similar actions to higher levels with higher level abilities as i spend a lot more actions healing at those levels.
Results are from level 1-10 and 10-15.


lets arguably say i max out at 650 actions every 10 minutes, lets multiply by 5 to be similar to my group climb time of 48 minutes 29 seconds.
this is 3250 actions compared to the group climbs 5110.


Now lets suggest you're welling, which is basically the same as running solo with no abilities, this reduced my actions to 550.
So now we're comparing 2750 actions compared to group climbs 5110.
(i would suggest welling is going to have even lower actions simply because you need to spend time getting items our of your vault and throwing them in the well and checking the loot more often)


To be clear here, 1 action is 1 "hit" or heal. So a multiheal on a group of 5 counts as 5 actions, multicast on a group of 9 mobs is 9 actions, This is how the game calculates it.
So 1 "click" might be 9 actions in a group climb with 9 chances to get that prof, whilst 1 click whilst welling is either 1 heal or 1 attack unless you're fighting a multiplier.

Unless you're suggesting the chance of prof from welling is increased to at least 30%, i don't think there can be an argument that solo'ing will grant more prof than groups.



I have nothing against the way you play, it's a game and can be played however you enjoy it. That is in general the entire point of a game.
I do have something against you suggesting your way is best with no physical evidence of it being so.
I've given both accounts of solo and group, I would suggest i've given enough evidence to show that groups give more prof. Also pretty much the rest of the community would agree with this.

Lastly the entire debate to some extent is nonsense, doing group climbs to specifically gain prof for a person who just wants to solo is not worth it, much better off doing whatever you wish to do and let the prof come naturally.

Most prof per time spent is group whistle climb
Solo is always less and while explore is more prof per climb it is less prof per time spent

You are both caught up on SPEED runs, time and gaining prof points during that time, you are not worried about prof hunting other than "Death" being a factor. Which is good,

EDIT: took me 10 years to realize not to post stuff because it gets nerfed in updates... you guys win, I am wrong... yay you gain more prof points... go for gold... woot.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jan 19 2021 02:34pm

If you want to grind something you want it to be efficient
Just because you don’t like whistle climbs doesn’t mean they aren’t the best for gaining prof

Here is a little test which I am still experimenting with, now go beat this in a climb, whistle or NOT:

473 consecutive weapon actions for 220 prof gain [I hate working out the %] Believe it is just under 50%

Basically 473 attack clicks consecutively and get 220 prof points... go have fun with that, oh... on top of that, I gained 2 levels killing 22 monters 1 at a time. EDIT: yup, this never lasts though, higher levels and shit.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jan 19 2021 04:43pm

(220/473)x100= 46.5%

How long did it take you?
Check my HC character. The sword prof is from one whistle climb one roughly 1 hour. These are almost 3000 points

Let me reverse the question since I am testing how to gain consecutive prof gain per "Click" action more effectively based on Prof hunting and NOT speed running.

How many click actions do you do in a FULL group climb whistling from level 1 to 16.95? What is your total actions. Now start off with an item that has 0 Rank when you test this out. Use your best gear and post it here or in Kirby Chat which is better.

I am currently level 16.95
Total Actions: 1834
Total Prof Gain: 673
Total Avg %: 36.69

Since I use heavy weapons, my speed is 1.8 sec, so if I calculate each action by 1.8 and excluding item switch / stat placing etc, this would be a total of 3301 seconds (not sure how to change it to minutes, doubt that is 33 minutes, so like 3.3 minutes, or like 11 minutes) or 5m 50s.

Anyway, I am sure you can get to that level faster in a full whistle group climb, but how many clicks & prof did you gain?

EDIT: Forgot to mention, that 36.69% average is a combination of Whistling / Exploring & Welling while solo'ing. Now all I need to do is become familiar with the changes to benefit prof gain, ML hunt, explore, whistle & welling all in one at a decent speed for me solo'ing.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jan 20 2021 01:47am

Not understanding that the time is important is your mistake

If you just do prof/action it doesn’t show the full picture
Prof/time spent is the way to compare it