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Oct 25 2020 12:45am
Quote (izParagonzi @ 24 Oct 2020 21:10)
Are you all just fucking blind.
Take the ID # and find out that it was AFTER the implementation of ML that was introduced in 2018... for fuck sake, it is NOT rocket science.
I hope you prove me wrong... but that is fucking unlikely.
EDIT: here is a clue... ID # increases by a factor of 10.... starting at 000000000000000000000000000000000001 ... it does not have a decimal point. so the first item # is 1


can you explain this in more details for me pls
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Oct 25 2020 02:08am
Quote (BWConformity @ Oct 24 2020 11:43pm)
At this point I’m just going to assume you are trolling me.


Not at all. Just because I'm noob with low climb count and bad gear you assume I troll? :(
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Oct 25 2020 04:25am
If I am not mistaken there have been multiple at least 20qd items in the past. That means the chart is wrong when it shows 19 as max. And with past I mean 5+ years ago
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Oct 25 2020 06:05am
Quote (Meridius @ Oct 25 2020 12:25am)
If I am not mistaken there have been multiple at least 20qd items in the past. That means the chart is wrong when it shows 19 as max. And with past I mean 5+ years ago


That makes sense to me. Any 21 QD items you know of from that same past which would suggest my chart is also wrong? InsaneBobb claims to have found and shrined multiple... :huh:
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Oct 25 2020 06:34am
Quote (BWConformity @ Oct 25 2020 05:05am)
That makes sense to me. Any 21 QD items you know of from that same past which would suggest my chart is also wrong? InsaneBobb claims to have found and shrined multiple... :huh:


You misread what I said, or are at least misrepresenting me. I stated flat out that I have indeed found and shrined multiple. But that I did not note ML, and all were recent. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm merely asking how you can be so certain you're right?

If you wish to present information as fact, please provide some kind of evidence. That 21 QD items spawn is evidenced. That it's an overspawn, you cannot prove, but are only claiming. I was not trolling earlier when I said to open a thread asking people to track their high spawn QD drops, and ML they were wearing.

You want a definitive answer, give it a few months test, and you may get it. Otherwise, you're simply acting certain about something that there's cause to doubt. Now please, either read with an intent to understand, or don't quote me.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Oct 25 2020 02:34am)
You misread what I said, or are at least misrepresenting me. I stated flat out that I have indeed found and shrined multiple. But that I did not note ML, and all were recent. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm merely asking how you can be so certain you're right?

If you wish to present information as fact, please provide some kind of evidence. That 21 QD items spawn is evidenced. That it's an overspawn, you cannot prove, but are only claiming. I was not trolling earlier when I said to open a thread asking people to track their high spawn QD drops, and ML they were wearing.

You want a definitive answer, give it a few months test, and you may get it. Otherwise, you're simply acting certain about something that there's cause to doubt. Now please, either read with an intent to understand, or don't quote me.


Ah they were recent and possibly found with ML.
Alright... lol

I paid a lot of attention to item property drops since I started playing this game. One might say I have been obsessed. If I sound certain that I am right, it is only because I spent my time trying to disprove my own hypotheses and have not yet been able to. You may be satisfied with a few months test, but I certainly would not be... I've been checking items for years, old and recent, and every item that I can in the drop window. I have already stopped using recent data because of ML creating overspawns potentially affecting the results. You are telling me that you maybe wore ML since the update which let's ML create overspawns and found items that go past the normal max I am claiming, and since we cannot prove they are overspawns, I should go back and test some more. There is no reason to use recent data with ML at all since we won't know if it's an overspawn or not, including the data you are giving me. Since the update I've worn ML and found a bunch of 6 - 10 stat and 21 - 40 ee tier Is. Maybe the chart's wrong for those also.
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Quote (BWConformity @ 25 Oct 2020 13:05)
That makes sense to me. Any 21 QD items you know of from that same past which would suggest my chart is also wrong? InsaneBobb claims to have found and shrined multiple... :huh:


Not lvl 55, but see here: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=74728662&f=272

4qd on t3, which means it is >1qd per tier
But how much more we don't know

from the linked topic, ppl suspected 1.4 per tier, but this item crashes this: https://ladderslasher.d2jsp.org/itemHistory.php?i=47524205


So yeah my memory might trick me and the highest found before was indeed 19, which would make the 21qd dagger an overspawn

Also found this topic on the subject:

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=75888939&f=74

tl;dr: QD seems to be between 1.42 and 1.5 per tier
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Oct 25 2020 08:42am
Quote (Meridius @ Oct 25 2020 04:00am)
Not lvl 55, but see here: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=74728662&f=272

4qd on t3, which means it is >1qd per tier
But how much more we don't know

from the linked topic, ppl suspected 1.4 per tier, but this item crashes this: https://ladderslasher.d2jsp.org/itemHistory.php?i=47524205


So yeah my memory might trick me and the highest found before was indeed 19, which would make the 21qd dagger an overspawn

Also found this topic on the subject:

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=75888939&f=74

tl;dr: QD seems to be between 1.42 and 1.5 per tier


Hah, I'm in that last topic you linked! Guess I also linked an item ID in there that crashed the old chart, the lvl 20 with 10 QD.

Alright so yeah
tier II max QD = 2 was well known pre-overspawn era
tier III max QD = 4 was also well known pre-overspawn era

https://ladderslasher.d2jsp.org/itemHistory.php?i=1217090827
https://ladderslasher.d2jsp.org/itemHistory.php?i=47524205

TBH I don't recall if I had that lvl 45 item ID, but also I'm not sure if I would have used it as it seems to be long before the era in which I was playing and I wasn't sure what was going on back then. I did have a lot of other item IDs and drops... I think the range I ended up calculating was really tight with a lower bound at 1.43, but I was always looking for certain higher tier items to see if the range could be bigger. There was no way to hit 21 QD on lvl 55 though without either 3 QD possible at tier II or else multiple factors for a single property.
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Oct 25 2020 06:57pm
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Tier QD@1.4 QD@ 1.5
I 1.4 (1) 1.5 (1)
II 2.8 (2) 3.0 (3)
III 4.2 (4) 4.5 (4)
IV 5.6 (5) 6.0 (6)
V 7.0 (7) 7.5 (7)
VI 8.4 (8) 9.0 (9)
VII 9.8 (9) 10.5 (10)
VIII 11.2 (11) 12.0 (12)
IX 12.6 (12) 13.5 (13)
X 14.0 (14) 15.0 (15)
XI 15.4 (15) 16.5 (16)
XII 16.8 (16) 18.0 (18)
XIII 18.2 (18) 19.5 (19)
XIV 19.6 (19) 21.0 (20)


Interesting numbers here, so if 1.5 is a factor, you should be finding a lot of lower Tier items with more QD ... like +3 QD Tier II item without using ML.

EDIT: maybe it is 1.45?

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Oct 25 2020 07:01pm
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