Quote (izParagonzi @ 3 Jun 2017 10:47)

Semantics again? Why not bring up welling Tier I's at level 1 where you get around 6 - 8% (occasionally 10-11%) and then you get diminishing returns once you reach level 3 - 5 where you should be welling Tier II's so you gain the highest experience possible.

Let's make it simple;

Let us say that you could instakill a monster per second regardless of level and item requirements et cetera. So, when solo'ing, you kill 100 monsters which equal a level, now that means you have to kill 70,000 monsters to get from level 1 to 71.

Now, 70,000 monsters equate to 70,000 seconds, which rounded down to time, it would be around 1 hour and 19 minutes. Is this incorrect? I am still drunk and my way of calculating it maybe off, so, now, assume this is the same
with a full group, BUT, every wave has 9 monsters and each monster gives 1% experience, so each character in the group gets 9% experience per wave per second, thus, the time difference would be divided by 9, is that right?

End Note, Even though it is NOT possible, what is the fastest time, my mistake was using the word "possible" in the title. Thanks in advance.

Quote (ahs_darkhunter @ Jun 3 2017 11:25pm)

Dont drink too much -_-
You dont have to go to lvl 700 and kill 70.000 monsters.. 7000 monsters until lvl 70 would be enough ;) 70000 seconds = 19,444 hours and 7000 seconds = 1,94444 hours ~ 1 hour 57mins

You assume the wrong. it ISNT the same in a group because you get less exp per monster in a group. soloing it is like 1,5-1,8% ish per monster (also depending on the class ofc.. exp gear, exp glyph, number of alchemists, events, ....) while in group it is maybe 0,6-0,8% per monster.. so you dont get 9% per wave. so NO the time is NOT divided by 9. why would you calculate 9 monsters per wave in group and just 1 monster per wave solo? you can spawn 3 monsters soloing... there are abilities in the game as you know.. and even if you think so, you just cant use abilities all the time.. they need to get charged. so no matter how good the dice roll for you, you just have to do normal attacks in between.
Your assumptions are wrong, your calculations are wrong and the game is simply not working as you think.

Quote (izParagonzi @ 3 Jun 2017 17:57)

Thought my calculations were off, didn't think it was at the start... :lol:

I am not worried about the "group" mechanics and xp gain, it was just hypothetical to determine a number.

Thanks for the 1.57 time... I am still getting around 1.17, something is up with my numbers again.

Quote (ahs_darkhunter @ Jun 4 2017 06:18am)

It is not that hard bud ^^

7000s /60/60 --> 1,9444 hours

Quote (izParagonzi @ 3 Jun 2017 19:09)

7,000 / 60 = 1 hour and 17 minutes rounded up: (116.6666666666667 you just move the decimal point forward 2 spots = 1.16)

Is my calculator wrong?

Edit, nope, I am wrong... :rofl: mao

EDIT 2... been drinking and playing too long today, started around midday yesterday, and it is 0611 hours

Quote (PowerTripped @ Jun 4 2017 01:31pm)

It's unknown but unlimited really. Outside of depending on the players of the group, their gear, and clicking ability, drive ability you still have really unlimited influence by the game. They can be an unlimited number of alcys that would change it. The event specs that would change it. Then there's always going to be slight difference each game. Such as the total spawns of the full climb like how many 7+ spawns. You'll never have everyone one clicking their very best at the same time, changing game mistake free and the fastest possible. It's really endless. Safe to say sub 25min could be hit with a full group. I think a sub 1 hour solo could be hit if whistled.

Quote (a_hotter_otter @ Jun 4 2017 01:55pm)

Nah it helps with attacking a second monster too if you kill the first one in the first hit.

Quote (izParagonzi @ Jun 3 2017 06:42pm)

Based on the 1 second per action rule being the fastest, you can eliminate all other factors because, that is the fastest kill-speed action no matter what.
As for quickdraw, the only thing I saw that doing was attacking the same target twice in that second, thus I speculate that you can not attack another within that same 1 second action. (don't quote me on that part though)

EDIT: This is just theory.

Quote (izParagonzi @ 4 Jun 2017 02:42)

Based on the 1 second per action rule being the fastest, you can eliminate all other factors because, that is the fastest kill-speed action no matter what.
As for quickdraw, the only thing I saw that doing was attacking the same target twice in that second, thus I speculate that you can not attack another within that same 1 second action. (don't quote me on that part though)

EDIT: This is just theory, working out a base speed.



Mind you I was using a Heavy Weapon... :D but good to know thanks.

Quote (RistVaLL @ Jun 4 2017 03:02pm)

using heavy and u need 2sec per hit / kill
also even with perfect ee on ur gear you wont 1 shot monsters..

All of these theories are based of luck
1shot monsters? sure if u crit every god damn attack
if u have 9waves all the time ( and no1 drives and makes it lag for just a second ) = Make it a perma Swarm master quest.
If ppl use their abilites at the right time and not all at once.

Yeah maybe then we would be able to hit a 20min climb.

You also have to add 1% exp on every monster since u dont really get that today.,

Quote (izParagonzi @ Jun 2 2017 06:00pm)

It is hypothetical, yet, it would tell you the fastest ever time to get from 1-71 removing other factors like gear change etc.

Quote (izParagonzi @ Jun 2 2017 07:38pm)

Typical response from most of the community, my question is not based on realistic values, it is based on the "FASTEST" time. Who cares about semantics.

Quote (izParagonzi @ Jun 3 2017 12:17pm)

I was asking if someone could do the calculations based on the circumstances I posted since I was drunk, but as usual, there are things like the "exp penalty" or using "fish" or "driver being higher level", "lag issues", "person drops from group" or "gotta take a dump" etc.

I based the question around the fastest action (ignoring heavy weapons) which takes 1 second, so the fastest time, so for solo'ing, is it 1 hour and 19 minutes, excluding all other factors? If so, then a full group would be around 10 minutes?

Quote (izParagonzi @ Jun 3 2017 10:47pm)

Let's make it simple;

Let us say that you could instakill a monster per second regardless of level and item requirements et cetera.

Quote (ahs_darkhunter @ Jun 3 2017 12:09am)

our fastest run was 32min 50sec.. with some more preparation we could have for sure made it under 30mins.. but every min faster will be harder and harder.. so i hardly beleave that you could make it under 25mins
soloing i can imagine that 2hours is for sure possible.. maybe 1hour 45min (with using a lot of fish and the right glyphs).. but under that time will be very hard again.