sounds very interresting, i would be interrested in that info indeed

lets see what xxtmanxx says... if hed like to include this info once he remakes his guide!

would love the info if its not a prob

This post was edited by xxtmanxx on Dec 9 2009 02:43pm

sure thing - ill hook ya up once i make 21 (should be within the next 2 days)

regards

up for more opinions

good guide - If it had a little bit of s/s's could help

Thanks Joe

Not sure if this helps guide but

At lvl 33
Min for exp is lvl 20 arcane +
It takes ~ 2.5 minutes to mute and I get about 0.12% experience for it

Max is lvl 30 Mythical
Takes about 4.5 minutes and I get about 0.20% exp

"A Muter's Diary"


Introduction:

This is the muting history for of my main character and muter Uranos.

I made the history only for personal use and to find out which items are worth muting regarding the proper efficiency and experience.
A side effect of keeping this history is, that i can handle the huge amount of muted items a little easier (disctracting my mind from the never ending click-mania).
I never used any "num-lock"-trick or used the "down-arrow-key"-tweak for the transmute bar.
I did all the muting ranks with pure clicking (killed 2 laptop mouses in the process).
I can only imagine what awaits me, when i try to get even higher muting ranks in the future...

Here are some side notes about my muting history:

I didnt kept a history for the ranks 1-2 (i got those ranks right after patch 1.14 was released with the new updated muting proficiency).
I did the ranks 3-7 at the end of september (right when i came back to ls), starting an early version of the history (with pen and paper).
Since i lost a few of those notes, i decided not to keep them within my new history or just those that were complete.
For rank 8 i included the first detailed informations about the tier level, the magical level, the result of the muting process (essences/items)
and the experience attained from the muted item.

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The following example shows you how to read my history:

Rank 21

tier V:

1 -2 -2 -2 10 (44,34,29,40,38,42,37,39,38,41) 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 2
2 -1 10 (34ri,36ri,33ri,32ri,34ri,39ri,39ri,46ri,33ri,50ri) 20 20 20 20 10
3 10 (30myi,48ri,41myi,41myi,44myi,26myi,34myi,41myi,45myi,40myi) 8 8
4 10 (42ai,41ai,41ai,38ai,36ai,42ai,47ai,30ai,36ai,36ai) 6
5 -1 1 (39re)
6 10 (38arce,44arce,40mye,47mythe,40mythe,43arce,41mye,43mythe,36ae,45mythe) 8 8
7 4 (45mythe,38re,42le,47le)

tier VI:

1 10 (54,56,53,51,46,41,48,45,52,54) 20 20 20 10
2 10 (50ri,58ri,53ri,50ri,56ri,47ri,58ri,42ri,48ri,47ri) 20 8
3 -1 10 (49myi,50myi,59me,49mye,60re,56me,54re,52me,59re,51me)
4 5 (53re,63re,62re,65me,48ae)
5 8 (57ae,55me,55mythe,59mythe,57re,58re,50mye,47mythi)
6 4 (55me,50mye,59re,62arce)
7 4 (59mye,54mythe,67ae,57arce)
8 1 (63arce)

0 -> 21000 : 365x V, 150x VI (-9) - 515 items muted

Legend:

Tier Level
Magical Level (1 - magical, 2 - rare, 3 - mystical, ... )
Failed Mutes (due to lag, missclick, provider issues, cable plugged, ... )
First 10 Mutes of each Magical Level (to estimate an average experience bonus and the outcome of the muting process)
(Example: 57ae - 57 is the experience bonus, ae stands for angelic essence; 47mythi - 47 is the experience bonus, mythi stands for a rerolled mythical item)
Mute Packages/Blocks (in order to desguise the massive amount of muted items)
Mute Rank Summary

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Muting History:

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Rank 5

0 -> 5000 : 175x II, 5x III - 180 items muted

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Rank 6

0 -> 6000 : 221x II, 15x III - 236 items muted

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Rank 7

0 -> 7000 : 17x II, 161x III - 178 items muted

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Rank 8

tier II:

3 2
4 1 (26mye) 1
5 4 (21mye,18mye,22me,27mye)
6 1 (29mye)

tier III:

1 10 (26,28,35,33,29,36,28,27,33,37) 20 20 10
2 10 (46ri,51ri,41ri,39ri,37re,28re,35re,31re,45re,46me) 20 5
3 10 (33re,47me,38myi,44me,38me,39re,39me,33mye,39myi,38ri) 3
4 8 (39me,30ai,39re,40myi,40ae,46ai,37mi,41mi) 2
5 3 (47re,37me,43ae) 2
6 1 (55me)

tier IV:

1 10 (58,60,64,52,55,59,60,68,58,56) 10 6
2 10 (62re,73re,69me,55me,65ri,66re,62re,68re,63ri,67ri) 10 1
3 6 (57me,57re,68mye,69re,59myi,68ri)

0 -> 8000 : 9x II, 124x III, 53x IV - 186 items muted

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Rank 9

tier III:

1 -2 10 (34,36,37,37,33,30,23,35,32,41) 20 20 20 10 3
2 10 (37re,38re,28re,35me,44me,38re,39re,37me,36me,33me) 20 20 2
3 -1 10 (36me,41mye,30me,39mye,39mye,34mye,39re,36re,39re,34mye)
4 4 (35re,34me,33ae,42re)
5 2 (40ae,42mye)

tier IV:

1 -1 10 (49,38,51,51,48,56,45,49,54,57) 20 6
2 10 (58me,58me,52me,53re,57re,65me,54me,55re,66re,70re) 8
3 3 (58me,58mye,58mye)
4 -1 9 (60ae,71re,55mye,69ae,67ae,62re,65mye,65ae,56me)
5 4 (58me,51re,63ae,65mye)

0 -> 9000 : 151x III, 70x IV (-5) - 221 items muted

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Rank 10

tier III:

1 10 (27,33,33,26,24,21,23,32,36,35) 20 20 20 20 1
2 -2 -2 10 (30re,31ri,29re,38re,35re,33me,32re,32me,27re,32me) 20 20 2
3 10 (32re,31re,30mye,23me,30mye,34re,31re,30me,34re,26re) 10 2
4 7 (38ae,33ai,40ai,31ai,32ae,32ai,26me)
5 4 (37my,40me,30re,33me)

tier IV:

1 -2 -2 10 (48,53,54,51,44,50,45,50,48,37) 20 20 10 4
2 10 (52re,57me,51me,58me,56re,56me,49re,58re,61me,58me) 1
3 7 (50re,59re,45re,60re,61me,55me,49re)
4 5 (56re,62re,63me,51me,54re)
5 2 (59myth,53me)

0 -> 10000 : 176x III, 89x IV (-8) - 265 items muted

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Rank 11

tier III:

1 -2 -2 -2 10 (23,31,26,25,23,25,27,18,26,30) 20 20 20 20 3
2 10 (30ri,27ri,30ri,26me,31re,31me,30me,30me,26me,30ri) 20 10
3 10 (31mye,26mye,31re,29mye,28me,26re,36re,28re,31me,26re) 5
4 4 (35re,33re,34ae,35me)
5 2 (28re,35ae)
6 1 (35me)
7 1 (34mye)

tier IV:

1 10 (51,43,38,36,41,38,37,47,50,35) 20 20 20 1
2 10 (51me,42re,48re,40re,48re,47me,48re,43me,48me,58me) 20 20 6
3 -2 9 (53me,52re,45re,57me,45re,47me,56re,37re,52re)
4 7 (45mye,48re,62mye,52me,48ae,49me,58ae)
5 6 (48ae,45me,57re,57mythe,49mythi,56mythi)

0 -> 11000 : 156x III, 141x IV (-8) - 297 items muted

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Rank 12

tier III:

2 10 (33re,27me,35re,27me,30re,23me,19me,23re,29re,31re) 20 20 20 10 4
3 -2 10 (25re,26re,34me,30re,31me,27re,30re,23mye,26re,28re) 20 2
4 7 (29re,29me,27mye,39ai,27ae,25mye,39ai)
5 6 (24mythe,35me,35mye,37mythi,50mye,30re)

tier IV:

1 -1 10 (36,34,39,43,32,35,43,43,37,45) 20 20 10 9
2 10 (44re,48re,42me,37re,50re,43re,47me,46me,48me,48me) 20 20 10 5
3 10 (49mye,36mye,48myi,49myi,42myi,44me,46re,43myi,40myi,43myi) 10 1
4 -1 10 (47me,49re,44mye,57ai,54ai,56ae,47ai,44ai,49ai,53ai) 3

tier V:

1 10 (66,56,62,65,57,60,57,58,62,69)

0 -> 12000 : 129x III, 168x IV, 10x V (-4) - 307 items muted

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Rank 13

tier III:

4 5 (27re,28me,35re,25mye,28mye)
5 2 (36me,23mythe)
6 3 (30mythe,30mythi,22mythi)

tier IV:

1 -1 -2 -1 10 (39,37,40,37,39,39,34,43,38,34) 20 20 20 20 10 9
2 10 (40me,39re,40me,41me,42re,42re,37me,41ri,44mi,54ri) 20 20 20 2
3 10 (53mye,40mye,40mye,45re,36re,41myi,34myi,48myi,44myi,39myi) 7
4 10 (45mye,46ae,43ae,46ai,51ai,40ai,39mye,46ai,56re,49ae) 9
5 6 (40mythe,49ae,38ae,48mye,41mythi,45mythi) 2
6 1 (43mythe)

tier V:

1 10 (53,63,60,63,49,51,54,55,48,47) 10 9
2 -1 10 (64me,54me,77re,62me,63re,64re,64me,59re,66re,66re) 8
3 10 (56me,55me,65me,70re,61me,68me,68me,62re,52me,58me)

0 -> 13000 : 10x III, 226xIV, 57x V (-5) - 293 items muted

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Rank 14

tier IV:

1 -2 10 (38,31,33,32,39,30,33,39,39,35) 20 20 20 20 20 20 10 5
2 -1 10 (38re,36re,54re,38re,39me,37re,42re,36re,36me,43me) 20 20 20 10 8
3 -1 -2 10 (50re,36re,42me,37re,40re,43mye,39mye,43mye,36mye,40re) 10 2
4 10 (40ae,53re,57mye,48me,41me,37me,43ai,42ai,45re,45me)
5 5 (53mye,37ae,40mye,44mythi,46mythe)
6 2 (44mythe,47mythe)

tier V:

1 -1 10 (56,52,41,50,55,60,58,59,55,55) 10 5
2 10 (58re,56re,60re,59me,61me,64me,52re,63re,62re,49me) 10 5
3 8 (55mye,70mye,53me,69mye,69re,67me,64me,51re)
4 6 (64mye,62me,73mye,52ae,63me,55me)
5 1 (55re)

0 -> 14000 : 272x IV, 65x V (-7) - 337 items muted

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Rank 15

tier IV:

1 -1 -1 -2 10 (37,35,32,36,33,35,32,31,27,32) 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 10 8
2 10 (37ri,40ri,37ri,43me,37re,38re,36me,35re,40re,45re) 20 20 10 4
3 10 (31me,40me,37re,36mye,36re,34mye,36re,39re,29mye,33mye) 6
4 10 (43mye,40mye,27me,41re,46re,39me,44re,39mye,32mye,32re) 5
5 3 (45mye,36re,34re,

tier V:

1 10 (51,48,63,50,50,57,56,63,49,48) 20 10 10 7
2 10 (59me,52me,56me,56re,58re,55re,52me,56me,61me,53re) 10 5
3 10 (50mye,52me,51mye,48me,66re,61me,60re,59me,59re,52me)
4 2 (58re,56me)
5 5 (54mye,53re,57ae,61mythe,53re)

0 -> 15000 : 286x IV, 99x V (-4) - 385 items muted

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Rank 16

tier IV:

1 10 (27,35,27,38,31,26,35,29,32,33) 20 20 20 20 20 10 3
2 10 (38ri,38ri,33ri,37ri,39re,44me,34re,38me,34me,35me) 20 20 20 20 5
3 9 (36me,37mye,26me,31re,32mye,33re,31me,28me,32mye)
4 6 (30re,33mye,40ae,37me,35ae,22ae)
5 3 (39ae,26ae,35mythe)
6 1 (42re)

tier V:

1 -2 10 (48,62,51,54,50,52,46,42,46,49) 20 20 20 20 10
2 -1 -2 10 (55me,56me,38re,47ri,42ri*,49ri,39me,47re,65me,49re) 20 20 10
3 8 (51mye,47me,54mye,53me,41mye,54me,46me,47me)
4
5 1 (56mye)
6 3 (51mythi,49mye,62mye)

0 -> 16000 : 237x IV, 172x V (-5) - 409 items muted

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Rank 17

tier IV:

2 10 (33re,30me,34re,27me,30me,28me,33me,41me,29re,35me) 20 20 20 20 20
3 10 (26mye,26re,34re,29mye,33me,31mye,30re,32myi,34myi,30myi) 20 20 9
4 10 (37re,28me,33ai,33ai,34ai,33ai,38mye,33mye,35ae,34re) 10 3
5 10 (34re,34me,31me,40mythi,32ae,36mye,33me,35mythi,39mythi,33re) 20 5
6 2 (35ae,39mye)
7 3 (35ae,38ae,31ae)

tier V:

1 -1 -1 -2 10 (48,38,44,46,46,47,58,42,36,38) 20 20 20 10 4
2 10 (53ri,46ri,49ri,57ri,46ri,43me,48me,46re,38re,54me) 20 20 10 4
3 10 (48me,45mye,46mye,42myi,41myi,47myi,52myi,43myi,44myi,49myi) 6
4 6 (47mye,56ae,47ai,50ai,51ai,48me)
5 8 (42mye,42mythe,50ae,59mythe,59mythe,48mythi,49mythi,47mythi)
6 -
7 1 (55mye)

tier VI:

1 10 (70,63,69,62,48,69,56,60,54,71) 6

0 -> 17000 : 232x IV, 179x V, 16x VI (-4) - 427 items muted

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Rank 18

tier IV:

4 10 (31ae,30ae,29me,25ae,33re,36me,24re,41ae,22ae,31ae) 7
5 6 (32re,24mythe,39mythe,32mythe,27ae,26ae)
6 1 (31mye)

tier V:

1 -2 -2 10 (42,40,44,44,39,44,39,42,49,47) 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 2
2 -1 10 (46re,45me,40me,47me,42re,55re,42re,47me,39me,42re) 20 10 9
3 -1 10 (50myi,48myi,43myi,43myi,51mye,43mye,50mye,43mye,36mye,46mye) 10 8
4 8 (43re,46re,49mye,51mye,50mye,42re,54me,39me)
5 4 (55me,42mythe,43mythe,55ae)
6 1 (62me)
9 1 (63mye)

tier VI:

1 -1 10 (61,56,55,72,67,49,47,54,66,65) 10 10 2
2 10 (51me,59re,69re,60re,61me,67me,52re,72re,52me,54re) 10 10 1
3 5 (57me,68me,61mye,58mye,57me)

0 -> 18000 : 24x IV, 283x V, 68x VI (-7) - 375 items muted

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Rank 19

tier IV:

6 4 (40ae,29mythe,35mythe,31me)
7 10 (34arce,26ae,30re,35arce,31mye,31mythe,32me,35ae,30ae,32mye) 6
8 10 (35ge,37re,35ge,36le,36arce,37arce,28mythe,33le,40gi,36gi)

tier V:

1 -2 -2 10 (32,40,33,45,36,49,35,44,44,38) 20 20 20 20 20 20 6
2 -2 10 (44me,34re,44me,45re,40re,37me,44me,46me,43re,41re) 20 20 20 10 4
3 -1 10 (37me,50me,43re,43mye,49me,31re,35me,41me,41mye,44me) 2
4 4 (45mye,51me,46ae,50me)
5 3 (39re,44ae,48mye)
6
7 3 (40ae,41ae,37me)

tier VI:

1 10 (66,45,50,47,43,51,49,55,58,59) 20 20 20
2 10 (54me,56me,55re,60me,55me,59re,60me,51me,48re,63re) 20 20 10 2
3 -1 10 (60me,67mye,46me,63re,58me,66mye,49re,65me,49me,60re) 4
4 2 (62mye,59mye)
5 2 (58mye,66mythe)

0 -> 19000 : 30x IV, 242x V, 150x VI (-8) - 422 items muted

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Rank 20

tier IV:

8 5 (38mye,31ae,37mye,34mye,38arce)
9 1 (29mythe)

tier V:

1 -1 -2 10 (40,34,42,34,31,41,37,39,39,37) 20 20 20 20 20 10 8
2 -1 10 (37me,32me,36re,36re,38me,42me,34re,36ri,43ri,38ri) 20 20 20 4
3 10 (44re,41me,43mye,39me,42re,38re,43re,40mye,33re,42me) 2
4 10 (35me,38re,36me,42me,47ae,38re,38mye,47ae,44re,44me) 1
5 7 (49mythe,44mythe,49re,36mythe,51ae,43mythe,37mye)
6 9 (43ae,51arce,45re,45re,45ae,47arce,45mye,51me,42ae)
7 3 (48mythe,45mye,44re)

tier VI:

1 -1 -1 10 (54,60,43,54,61,54,68,52,51,51) 20 20 20 20 20 4
2 10 (61me,58re,49re,58me,54me,48re,58me,44re,58re,70re) 20 10 6
3 -1 10 (42re,44me,68me,56me,50mye,57mye,53mye,46re,55mye,54re) 2
4 5 (60re,56mye,67mye,57re,62mye)
5 1 (67mye)
6 10 (62ae,59me,60ae,62mye,63re,66arce,61re,65mythe,64re,67me) 1
7 3 (66ae,69ae,61re)

0 -> 20000 : 6x IV, 244x V, 192x VI (-7) - 442 items muted

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Rank 21

tier V:

1 -2 -2 -2 10 (44,34,29,40,38,42,37,39,38,41) 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 2
2 -1 10 (34ri,36ri,33ri,32ri,34ri,39ri,39ri,46ri,33ri,50ri) 20 20 20 20 10
3 10 (30myi,48ri,41myi,41myi,44myi,26myi,34myi,41myi,45myi,40myi) 8 8
4 10 (42ai,41ai,41ai,38ai,36ai,42ai,47ai,30ai,36ai,36ai) 6
5 -1 1 (39re)
6 10 (38arce,44arce,40mye,47mythe,40mythe,43arce,41mye,43mythe,36ae,45mythe) 8 8
7 4 (45mythe,38re,42le,47le)

tier VI:

1 10 (54,56,53,51,46,41,48,45,52,54) 20 20 20 10
2 10 (50ri,58ri,53ri,50ri,56ri,47ri,58ri,42ri,48ri,47ri) 20 8
3 -1 10 (49myi,50myi,59me,49mye,60re,56me,54re,52me,59re,51me)
4 5 (53re,63re,62re,65me,48ae)
5 8 (57ae,55me,55mythe,59mythe,57re,58re,50mye,47mythi)
6 4 (55me,50mye,59re,62arce)
7 4 (59mye,54mythe,67ae,57arce)
8 1 (63arce)

0 -> 21000 : 365x V, 150x VI (-9) - 515 items muted

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Total Number of Muted Items: ~6000 (5495 registered + ~500 for rank 1-4)

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I hope this little "diary" provides some useful informations about the muting mystery.

Call me if you have any questions.

This post was edited by _Mork_ on Dec 14 2009 08:12am

From rank 9-12 i kept both exp gained and time required for the first 5 for each possible tier
Time / clicks required go up the higher you go from your minimum tier at which you still gain exp
Experience gained roughly goes up with time spent, although:
in begin exp goes fast, but after 1 complete tier above minimum time required flies up
Since there is overhead time spent on muling/gathering items,
it's interesting to transmute above the minimum you gain exp from.

experience-seconds
L11 Rare3 | 34-78/31-66/31-78/33-73/26-72
L11 Myst3 | 20-59/30-70/27-71/21-66/28-79
L11 Ange3 | 34-75/35-85/34-79/23-61/36-73
L11 Myth3 | 28-80/36-55/42-94/28-66/30-68
L11 Arca3 | 34-98/32-86/30-89/27-82
L11 Magi4 | 39-134/44-115/39- 96/44-105/37- 91
L11 Rare4 | 55-162/51-172/47-155/48-132/43-103
L11 Myst4 | 42-120/45-141/46-118/53-152/40-127
L11 Ange4 | 45-128/53-170/54-155/52-160/50-153
L11 Myth4 | 52-139/50-159/56-150/50-159/40-140
L11 Arca4 | 60-175/
L11 Magi5 | 68-187/71-262/65-226/66-250/64-215

L11 Rare3 | avg 31.0-073.4 = 0.422 exp/sec
L11 Myst3 | avg 25.2-069.0 = 0.365 exp/sec
L11 Ange3 | avg 32.4-074.6 = 0.434 exp/sec
L11 Myth3 | avg 32.8-072.6 = 0.452 exp/sec
L11 Arca3 | avg 30.8-088.8 = 0.346 exp/sec
L11 Magi4 | avg 40.6-108.2 = 0.375 exp/sec
L11 Rare4 | avg 48.8-144.8 = 0.337 exp/sec
L11 Myst4 | avg 45.2-131.6 = 0.343 exp/sec
L11 Ange4 | avg 50.8-153.2 = 0.332 exp/sec
L11 Myth4 | avg 49.6-149.4 = 0.332 exp/sec
L11 Arca4 | avg 60.0-175.0 = 0.343 exp/sec
L11 Magi5 | avg 66.8-228.0 = 0.293 exp/sec

Few more things to take into consideration:
- transmuting above your minimum saves you inventory space, and time collecting if those are low magic lvl
- transmuting more than 1 complete tier above your minimum requires relatively much more time on stabilizing

On the minimum, it requires ~60 seconds to transmute, ~10 seconds to stabilize,
with this distribution: ~30sec trans. / ~10sec stab. / ~30sec trans.
So you can do ~1 per 80 seconds incl. some overhead
In the old situation this meant:
- toss in item, click once on transmute, wait ~30 seconds, stabilize ~10 seconds, click once on transmute, wait ~30 seconds, done, so 10 seconds / 80 seconds was spent clicking
In the new situation (no hold-down arrow key or such) this means:
- toss in item, click transmute ~30 seconds, click stabilize ~10 seconds, click transmute ~30 seconds, done, so 70 seconds / 80 seconds was spent clicking

These are rough averages, but basically, transmuting is 5-10 times more click-intensive without down-arrow-key/num-lock

The lvl 11 listing seems to be repeating on each lvl looking at exp-time, except that the tier of the items also shifts up ofc
The lowest you can do is ~30 exp / 70 secs, the highest ~60-70 exp / 3-4 min

all these numbers saku and noobcount make me excited

Time for someone to compile all of this good shit together...