Quote (JayKwik @ Aug 19 2010 01:26am)

I can admire that you want to keep a list like that small but you seem to be grossly uninformed about the first 5+ seasons of Ladder Slasher with one of the names you have included, and a dozen names you have excluded that undoubtedly deserve to be there beside the people that you have named because of the distinction that they share with those people. And I'm sure this would be the point where you would lob out some stupid "I only care about Hardcore LS" garbage but considering that realm wouldn't event exist without a certain few of us back in the day with our honor-system creation of a HC realm in the SC realm, I think you should seriously revisit some of what happened in 2006 and 2007 so that you can better understand why things are the way they are now. You would be surprised and impressed by a few individuals if you really analyzed how they played the game and the part they played in it's evolution. They've left their marks on the game everywhere, it just takes a real keen mind to see it.

Unfortunately for them, there aren't enough people that are still around that really know anything about the first days of this game that can really share how well they played this game. There was a time when this game was actually difficult and wasn't for absolutely anyone that wanted to try it on a whim, and you defined success by simply getting to level 61 and not anything that may have happened after that. I really wish the game was still like that, but I'm a dying breed.

Quote (Cloudfire @ Aug 19 2010 04:40am)

There may have been some giants from season 1 that aren't mentioned by Lace, but if no-one playing these days knows who they are, are they a legend?

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Aug 19 2010 04:53am)

Pull up the big girl panties, mate, not worth the battle.

Besides, Wizz3D, Ripcurl, Aktak, Olbaid, and some of the other greats will ALWAYS be remembered. The fact that people who didn't know the game existed when such notorious folks were still wandering about aren't including them? Their loss.

Quote (JayKwik @ 19 Aug 2010 10:00)

Of course. Do you think Johnny Unitas is any less of a legend because no one born in the 90s could see him play live?

Sorry, never going to support someone as being a legend when they circumvented rules of the website itself to help themselves and their friend get ahead on Ladder Slasher by playing on anyone else's account other than their own. I think I've done a pretty fair job of not naming names, anyone that was there knows more than enough about what I'm talking about so we'll just leave it at that. It's got nothing to do with personal grudges since I don't have anything against them personally, but if tcby can get locked for having his friends play on his account (in addition to being a multi), and people are locked every day for breaking the multiple account per one person rule on the site, then someone that broke those rules to cash in on Ladder Slasher can't be called a legend in the same breath. Well, at least I won't recognize them as one. Maybe people that weren't there will, lol. I don't think that's being unreasonable.

For what it's worth, since you mentioned the name, Aktak will never get the credit that he deserves for how well he played this game. I'm happy that at least some people will still menton Olbaid in these topics when they pack up, but Aktak is sorely under appreciated. He was the first dominant pure caster in this game's existence.

Quote (JayKwik @ Aug 19 2010 05:00am)

Of course. Do you think Johnny Unitas is any less of a legend because no one born in the 90s could see him play live?

Sorry, never going to support someone as being a legend when they circumvented rules of the website itself to help themselves and their friend get ahead on Ladder Slasher by playing on anyone else's account other than their own. I think I've done a pretty fair job of not naming names, anyone that was there knows more than enough about what I'm talking about so we'll just leave it at that. It's got nothing to do with personal grudges since I don't have anything against them personally, but if tcby can get locked for having his friends play on his account (in addition to being a multi), and people are locked every day for breaking the multiple account per one person rule on the site, then someone that broke those rules to cash in on Ladder Slasher can't be called a legend in the same breath. Well, at least I won't recognize them as one. Maybe people that weren't there will, lol. I don't think that's being unreasonable.

For what it's worth, since you mentioned the name, Aktak will never get the credit that he deserves for how well he played this game. I'm happy that at least some people will still menton Olbaid in these topics when they pack up, but Aktak is sorely under appreciated. He was the first dominant pure caster in this game's existence.

Quote (benell @ Aug 19 2010 05:03am)

Aktak was my example when i joined ls, he amazed me with his climb speed and everything I remember him and his season

Quote (KakeWalk @ Aug 19 2010 05:04am)

I think part of the problem is this is a skill-less game. Records are what we judge people by as far as skill goes and I cant see any of theirs. The legends Lance listed were people of great character and have a long list of records that are viewable today

Quote (JayKwik @ Aug 19 2010 04:12am)

Yeah he was one of the first real monsters of this game. He had great gear but he wasn't stacked with leftovers from the Beta like a lot of other people were at the time. He was actually smart, and was a mechanics guru, and I think that really wins out over nice gear because let's face it nearly anyone can get that if they stroll in with 50,000fg.



Well, the reason why some people will be remembered was that they dominated at a time when this wasn't a skill-less game. In a way, it's also the same reason why others will be forgotten, because some people don't know enough about the game and it's history to fully realize the people's importance and impact on it. Guild Points, Proficiencies, Pass rate, all that stuff is meaningless. Even items are pretty much meaningless. It's how you played the game in relation to when you played the game, and that's why Lance has a great shortlist and anyone on it should be proud because they are definitely deserving of the recognition, but they should be sharing it with quite a few more people, at least my opinion.

Quote (WarFox @ 19 Aug 2010 10:21)

Pretty sure this game requires more skill now than it ever did...

"Lifesteal and Max out dex DUUURRRR"

Quote (JayKwik @ 19 Aug 2010 10:27)

Well, then you would be very wrong lol. That build wasn't even effective until some point in Season 4 and even in the first weeks that it started getting popular, all of those items were locked down so fast that virtually no one could get them. And you also have to consider that if you didn't have more than 10% Life Steal, you essentially felt like you had none of it at all because that's the way the mechanics worked. Come on, you can't honestly be that naive. This may be hard for you to imagine, but there was once a point in time in Fairytale Land where there were only 5 weapons on the whole game that had more than 200% Enhanced Effect and they were all Beta items that were rotting on accounts that would never be used again. There weren't 50-stat items or even multi-stat items.

This game has heal charms, proficiencies, easier monsters, considerably better items, considerably more items, considerably more useful builds, more characters, MULTIPLAYER... Lol, it's not even close.

Quote (WarFox @ Aug 19 2010 05:21am)

Pretty sure this game requires more skill now than it ever did...

"Lifesteal and Max out dex DUUURRRR"