Shouldn't really open up that can of worms.

So you switch to shit gear right before the last fight to make it easy?

It has changed since y'all did it in Empire, trust me on that

This post was edited by Moojilsuh on Jan 6 2014 10:46am

Yeah HC is out of the question, it's not worth the risk of the lost gear which will happen no matter what, either getting to the final fight or in the fight itself people will die that's a given.

On the SC side though. There's only a few things left to do differently that would make any difference. One would add a tremendous amount of more time to the already 6 hours. The important things to consider now is this was down will 5 full sets of best in game gear for each class and their roles. If it still took this amount of time and in the end at lvl120 really being overwhelmed by the monsters damage and hitpoints with the gear and abilities involved then it calls for a slight tweaking of some things. Either a change to the exp gain past lvl70 or a change to the monsters strength and life and how it scales bast lvl70. My vote would be a slight change to the monsters only and try again. Even then there's no guarantee to win the final fight at a high level.

It's never going to be a daily objective done by the many, it never was other than when it was exploited and changed. It's a special event and a nice notch in the belt when completed. But if we're unable to do it in the current set up with the gear involved and the different ways we've tried then the chances of others without the very best gear is even more impossible. Even now few go to 101 for the extra point because of the time required or unable to make it there because of gear requirements. There has to be a balance of course.

Even with all the luck getting the objectives before lvl70, then all the luck with spins and rooms in the final maze, it's still going to be lvl115+ by the final fight. There are very very few that can sustain at that level and stay in the map keeping MM enabled. A large wave Ep for most would be death, to many 7+ waves back to back would be death. It has to be able to be completed by the above average player with decent gear too, and at those levels it won't happen.

Well Me/Brad/Joshie/Roy/Edball were going to attempt it and we pretty much got like 40 or less spaces from the final fight but my power went out. And we kind of went in with minimal knowledge of the last fight and no one on hardcore had even attempted it yet. Who knows some of us probably would have died. All our characters were pretty tanky though. Me and Brad even used our Headhunters and everyone had the capabilities to heal themselves. That was way back in the day though around 4-6 months of it being introduced. Great times.

With the new weird mechanics of how monsters are after MQ now though. You'd be a fool to try it on HC.

This post was edited by sir_lance_bb on Jan 6 2014 10:56am

Yes you change your mq gear out before the final fight so they don't spawn with the best gear on them and kill you. But the issue here is getting to that fight lol. It's been changed since empire exploited it and you can no longer bridge down to a lvl 1 group and have them start on the map at lvl1.

* With the new map style where turning can spawn monsters,
* the addition of the new objectives,
* the adjustment of some objectives spawn rates,
* monster abilities,
* the experience gain past lvl71,
* the increased health/strength of the monsters as you lvl past 71 etc.

It's completely different that any other time in the history of the game. And that's why it hasn't been completed yet since those additions.

Yeah, way too many variables there. You can't make mistakes and then somewhat you have to get lucky with spins and shit. Good luck buds.

Yeah Lance back then it wasn't as bad. still a time requirement. But yeah don't try it on HC. I wouldn't try EE on hc either just for safety reasons but it's been done. Those additions I posted above have made a huge difference. I pm'd Paul the results, stay tuned for more tries.

It has been done both ways.

I've done it all best in game 55's and completed it.

I've switched out gears and completed it.

I have memories of Hueco Mundo trying EE on HC when it was first introduced.
It virtually wiped out the whole team.
They are finally getting back into the game, but I doubt they will ever try EE in HC again, let alone MM