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Sep 21 2022 06:31pm


This is what I imagine offcasters and hybrid builds to be….
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Hybrid for me.....

Melee's from 1-30/40 and then casts from 30/40-71
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Quote (JonWon @ 22 Sep 2022 09:07)
Nobody off casts as a Barb/Fighter when you can choose Rogue or Magician.
Samurai is grueling and thankfully, is only 3 doors and doesn't take long to pass.

Most ppl never reach HH or may not even have light charms to cast that class.. so I mean, I don't think it's necessary to even debate.



I respectfully disagree.
Maybe some "professional LS offcaster's" can chime in, but I would imagine the main draw is that you are improving 1 proficiency (attack charm), versus splitting your prof gain between multiple sets. Offcasting also eliminates some of the tediousness of inventory management/vault management.


Your points are valid, just like the first line (sentence) in my original post... "Your interpretation of an Off Caster vs a Hybrid character build."

However, like all posts so far has not actually answered the question based on their interpretation, all posts are disputing what I wrote AFTER the question... my interpretation does NOT affect those that think differently.

Basically, I gave my interpretation of Hybrid, Dual and Off Caster, So far, no one has actually answered the question, they just argued my interpretation... what the fuck? Are all LS players bent on arguing and not actually pointing out an answer to a simple question... YOUR INTERPRETAION (note, this is not directed at you specifically, it is directed at all posts after yours that I have quoted here).

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Quote (izParagonzi @ Sep 22 2022 06:03am)
Your points are valid, just like the first line (sentence) in my original post... "Your interpretation of an Off Caster vs a Hybrid character build."

However, like all posts so far has not actually answered the question based on their interpretation, all posts are disputing what I wrote AFTER the question... my interpretation does NOT affect those that think differently.

Basically, I gave my interpretation of Hybrid, Dual and Off Caster, So far, no one has actually answered the question, they just argued my interpretation... what the fuck? Are all LS players bent on arguing and not actually pointing out an answer to a simple question... YOUR INTERPRETAION (note, this is not directed at you specifically, it is directed at all posts after yours that I have quoted here).


I'm failing to see a discrepancy between your definition of a hybrid & dual class. They sound like the same thing to me.

Hybrid = a character that can both deal damage and heal adequately
Offcast = a character that regardless of being an intelligence based class, chooses to use attack charms

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Now a "Dual" class is one that deals damage and can heal

How is this different from the above? :P
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Quote (JonWon @ 23 Sep 2022 05:22)
I'm failing to see a discrepancy between your definition of a hybrid & dual class. They sound like the same thing to me.

Hybrid = a character that can both deal damage and heal adequately
Offcast = a character that regardless of being an intelligence based class, chooses to use attack charms


How is this different from the above? :P


My fault in not explaining, or it has been stated, but hasn't been comprehended.

Melee = (pure) ... or in some group runs, be a Tank and Melee = Dual class, and yet, depends on Group setup where there is one tanking and the other melee sits in the back using Stat gear.

Caster = Dual because they are also healing and dealing damage right? Not really, because in a group run with multiple casters, you may have designated one to be the main healer, and the rest to be backup just in case.

Dual class is a class that has two purposes (hence Dual) = Melee Heal ... Cast Heal ... Tank Melee

Off Caster is a character that has better stats towards Melee vs Casting... As I stated, those with low intelligence like fighter, barb, samurai and headhunter, but I should have also included the Ninja as an example having high dexterity vs intelligence (base 15).

A Rogue actually has more intelligence, even more than a Paladin, so even a Rogue is better at being a caster than a paladin / monk (excluding Abilities where they have the same starting base intelligence of 20)

A Hybrid is a character that can utilize three(3) roles. Cast / Heal & Tank (Paladin seems to be the best being able to wield ALL armor and Charms with a 20 base intelligence). With the right gear, can also take up Melee when they run Out Of Mana (OOM) ... a Rogue can also be Hybrid, tanking / casting & healing, and yet can also Melee with the right gear. Hence Hybrid, not Dual.

Again... this is my interpretation and where my initial question was asked, I can see that you have an interpretation yourself by asking questions or questioning my comment(s). I just haven't seen a concrete definition by any posts by others, including yours.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Sep 22 2022 03:59pm
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Quote (izParagonzi @ Sep 22 2022 01:03pm)
Your points are valid, just like the first line (sentence) in my original post... "Your interpretation of an Off Caster vs a Hybrid character build."

However, like all posts so far has not actually answered the question based on their interpretation, all posts are disputing what I wrote AFTER the question... my interpretation does NOT affect those that think differently.

Basically, I gave my interpretation of Hybrid, Dual and Off Caster, So far, no one has actually answered the question, they just argued my interpretation... what the fuck? Are all LS players bent on arguing and not actually pointing out an answer to a simple question... YOUR INTERPRETAION (note, this is not directed at you specifically, it is directed at all posts after yours that I have quoted here).


Quote (zoltan-2 @ Sep 22 2022 12:42pm)
Hybrid for me.....

Melee's from 1-30/40 and then casts from 30/40-71


Someone answered your questionn.....
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Sep 23 2022 06:58am
Hybrid - Melee character class that can effectively heal.
Off-Caster - Melee character class, but stats primarily int and casts with charms.
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Melee = (pure) ... or in some group runs, be a Tank and Melee = Dual class, and yet, depends on Group setup where there is one tanking and the other melee sits in the back using Stat gear.


There's no need to over-complicate it lol.

What you're describing is still Melee.
It's not "Dual" to toss on an EE Armor to be able tank. If you take off the armor and replace it with stat armor, you haven't changed anything permanent about your "class".

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Caster = Dual because they are also healing and dealing damage right? Not really, because in a group run with multiple casters, you may have designated one to be the main healer, and the rest to be backup just in case.


Caster = Dual???? Like you said no, not really.. bcuz you are literally just describing what a Caster does. Equipping a heal charm or not, doesn't change the fact that you are a "Caster".


Offcaster = A non-intelligence based class you use attack charms with


Hybrid = character that does Damage + can Heal adequately.
If you can tank or not as a hybrid, you are still a hybrid.

This post was edited by JonWon on Sep 23 2022 07:40am
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Sep 23 2022 08:54am
Quote (zoltan-2 @ 24 Sep 2022 00:29)
Someone answered your questionn.....


They have, you responded with their answer but could not be fucked to give your own answer, in other words, you are too lazy to even answer the question for YOURSELF... you rely on other to try and be this n that, but you are nothing, this is because you don't have your own interpretation.

Quote (GimmeCoffee @ 24 Sep 2022 00:58)
Hybrid - Melee character class that can effectively heal.
Off-Caster - Melee character class, but stats primarily int and casts with charms.


Nice comment.

Quote (JonWon @ 24 Sep 2022 01:10)
^izParagonzi



There's no need to over-complicate it lol.

What you're describing is still Melee.
It's not "Dual" to toss on an EE Armor to be able tank. If you take off the armor and replace it with stat armor, you haven't changed anything permanent about your "class".



Caster = Dual???? Like you said no, not really.. bcuz you are literally just describing what a Caster does. Equipping a heal charm or not, doesn't change the fact that you are a "Caster".


Offcaster = A non-intelligence based class you use attack charms with


Hybrid = character that does Damage + can Heal adequately.
If you can tank or not as a hybrid, you are still a hybrid.


Great response and post, now I am getting your interpretation of either a Dual or hybrid toon.


These are some of the responses I am looking for.... YOUR interpretation, NOT mine.
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