Chronology

May 7 2013 Glyphing buffed (Glyph merging added) Glyphing now in more direct completion w/ muting to resources
Jun 11 2020 Minimum to skill for all skills set lower than listed values
Jun 23 2020 Muting buff with unintended nerf to glyph/suff (Instant reroll w/ essence+ item) Skyrockets price of essence making it less viable to level glyphing/suffing
Sep 28 2020 Muting & Suffuse buffed (Essence merging added)
Oct 19 2020 Glyph buff (Glyphs persist & are no longer lost to 1006 & other disconnects)

Both Glyph & Suff have very little reward and future progress is unlikely given the economics.

I may have misread your points in your post, so please bare with me in the following.

... Suffer sensing should NOT require an Essence to Rank up. Example: you fish with a Rod or NOT and gain Prof points, thus you should be able to do the same with Suffer Sensing... if this is not good enough, you need a Fish to gain Prof points for cooking right?

Well, to Glyph or Transmute, you need an Essence right (I maybe wrong) ... you can fish without a Rod, this is the only skill that can be done without anything. Now cooking requires a Fish, so taking it that way, to Transmute you need an Essence and you use the Transmute skill to obtain an essence... more prof gain because you benefit both ways, YET when you want to glyph an item... you need an Essence (hopefully I am correct here) ... thus you have two(2) skills that REQUIRE an Essence ... then Paul introduced Suffer Sensing in an update, BUT, you still require an Essence to Rank up the skill.

So... at the end of what I stated in the paragraph above... Suffer Sensing should be a skill that DOES NOT require an Essence, just like fishing doesn't require a Rod. Now, to be honest, Cooking should require a Pot or an Open Fire Place. So, there should be a Tool, like Runes (for an example) to Suffer Sensing.

Just an idea to improve Suffer Sensing without relying on Essences that are more used for Transmuting purposes etc.

To be fair you can't actually fish without a rod, it's absolutely impossible after a certain rank, I guess 5-10? If I try to fish without a rod on my main, it's impossible even if you adjust to level 1, not sure how that works, because you can do it on a rank 0 char.

You don't need essences to glyph though wtf? Glyphing and muting obviously require an item, because you need to determine what stats the glyphs will have or what essence rarities you get, otherwise you make essences or glyphs with unknown stats appear out of thin air, which makes no sense.

Cooking requires a fish, because its only purpose is to boost it, you can't cook the nothingness. So it only requires the thing you want to boost, which means it requires nothing, you boost it for free.

Suffing requires the object you want to boost + an essence, because it would give too much benefit according to Paul's vision of the game, if it could be done "for free". And that's true, it would need to be changed in some way if it no longer requires essences.

The other thing is suffing was probably added so you have something to do with your lower essences, before the muting change (instant reroll) noone in their right mind would spend time rerolling Tier 1 - Tier 5 magical essences even 10 years+ ago or whatever. Currently I don't want to use magical T5-T6 essences to reroll items even when it's instant.

You can still get your suffing high if you want to, but it's expensive and not justified for most people. Not only because higher essences are expensive, but because there isn't a 1:1 prof gain ratio between muting/suffing.

For each X amount of mute prof gained, you can only get X/2 suff prof. On average you get 40-45 mute prof per item and only 20-25 per suffuse, so even if you use every single essence you make to suffuse, you'll still get behind and need to buy more essences or mute below your minimum to get them.

Essence merging doesn't change how fast you can progress, unless it gets a massive prof gain boost. But that automatically means it becomes slower to do.

still think glyphing also needs a buff in how much prof per hour, especially seeing it's the most annoying of all the skillings to do. but at least it's somewhat useful.

Completely with you on both your suggestions of faster prof and the instant suff tweak.

even if suff'ing was buffed to gain 4x as much prof as it currently does, i still wouldnt use it lol

Suffing needs a buff to prof gain, other than that I see no need to change it. Its incredibly OP if you level it up. low lvl glyphs could last an hour with the right ess used to suff it.

Suffing is good.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?c=3&i=435425&p=498421 <--- comfreys become really cute with suffing!

(but doesn't always work: https://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?c=3&i=435425&p=498025)

This post was edited by BWConformity on Sep 9 2022 10:56pm

What about being able to suffus rods to merge the dura :)?
or more combo like this (glyphing a fish :p?)

It's the one skill I hate the most...
I'm not sure why you get that low prof on ur attempts, I get an avg of 20ish at least when I don't (abort) which i never need to do unless i fuck up badly.



Pretty sure he's talking about life comfries, as they are the only thing that can actually keep us safe at higher levels in a mirror maze.
Even when we have 2-3 of the best heals ingame we cant outheal some bad waves. Comfries are the ONLY thing that will actually keep u safe.

And as BWC linked our comfries become 4-5k+ as a tier 3 comfry is insanly strong.

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However tho, yeah I hate the progressing too. It is extremely slow to do it the way it's supposed to be done. Specially when it takes almost half of the time as a transmute and you're not really allowed to look away at all for over a minute/miss a click
The biggest issue for you is that you're on hardcore, because it's a much more limited way of getin a hold of essences.

_BUT_ the skill is honestly one of the most "OP/useful" skills we have, so I can buy that it is a slow progress, I just hate doing it ^^

This post was edited by NR1 on Sep 14 2022 08:19am

Knowing your Glyphing rank and reading your post... I'm not sure if I feel better or worse hearing how much you dislike Suff'ing
I pretty much feel the same way. I personally have only aborted my essences to get my current rank. Mainly because like you said it is SLOW and even on some faster events - it seems impossible to increase the rarity of an essence - which typically you would think is within the range of your rank (that make sense? lol).

It doesn't help that I play a lot from my phone and 1 single lag spike could mean making or breaking your essences. At least with transmuting, it is fairly forgiving in that aspect.