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May 29 2022 05:55pm
Quote (Denn1s @ May 29 2022 03:52pm)
we dont know, some claim it does and we had like a period where like 200ee items dropped like candy but only bad geard solo play got them ( since they need it more action to kill )

we also have someone who use powerstrike ( cast ) on an ep and oneshotted and got a 200% drop out of it




personal i dont believe it, its more rng than anything but than again SS found so much shit if he says action counter are a think he might be right about it



RNG

This is what it come down to really.

Random like life
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i couldnt say exactly how ML works, but there is a 1000% chance it makes a difference to the drops/rolls.

I have been told countless times, it takes years and if ur lucky u will find a 200ee item or w.e, Yes ofc it will take years if you use 0ML and only whistle climb.

in my opinion ML works and is heavily underrated for whatever reason. IT does help you find better gear, see my profile for my personal drops and the ML that was used to get them, along with dates.

I dont play the game anywhere near as much as many here, yet i find good drops. I tend to run around wearing ML gear and 'death farm' majority of all drops was from EPs.

action counters - there is some truth, generally if u are hitting an EP and it dies quick it just means the lvl of the monster is low and you would end up getting low tier drops.

welled monsters - there have been countless cases where a monster will hit you for 1k-2k crits and strong items have dropped. basically the monster has taken the stats of an item they are holding and you have a certain 'time' frame to kill that monster before it loses the item or the item becomes crap.
I once had a monster where i hit for 0 consistently, i was using 235ee dagger too, and no it wasnt sneaky as it was a welled Scale, it was also not the immune or lower dmg monster it was hiermikles or however you spell it. unfortunately i died like 10 times trying to kill it due to hitting it for literally 0 and having to self regen each time. i honestly believed it was going to drop a HUGE ee scale but i received something like 20ee, which means i took too long to kill it, so im convinced there is a 'timer' where every xx seconds the item loses stat value.

it terms of muting my luck has been pretty bad regardless of the ML used. but plenty of people swear by it and have proven to be successful.

that being said, I believe ML works like increasing chance to roll higher stats, higher rarity (more rolls for desired stat)


TLDR

using ML makes a difference to your drops 1000% - run around with ML gear, kill/die/regen
using ML on muting makes a difference?!? probably
using ML on a well makes a difference 1000% - use ML to spawn and finish the monster

This post was edited by iamRealms on May 30 2022 02:08am
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May 30 2022 02:14am
Quote (iamRealms @ May 29 2022 10:04pm)
i couldnt say exactly how ML works, but there is a 1000% chance it makes a difference to the drops/rolls.

I have been told countless times, it takes years and if ur lucky u will find a 200ee item or w.e, Yes ofc it will take years if you use 0ML and only whistle climb.

in my opinion ML works and is heavily underrated for whatever reason. IT does help you find better gear, see my profile for my personal drops and the ML that was used to get them, along with dates.

I dont play the game anywhere near as much as many here, yet i find good drops. I tend to run around wearing ML gear and 'death farm' majority of all drops was from EPs.

action counters - there is some truth, generally if u are hitting an EP and it dies quick it just means the lvl of the monster is low and you would end up getting low tier drops.

welled monsters - there have been countless cases where a monster will hit you for 1k-2k crits and strong items have dropped. basically the monster has taken the stats of an item they are holding and you have a certain 'time' frame to kill that monster before it loses the item or the item becomes crap.
I once had a monster where i hit for 0 consistently, i was using 235ee dagger too, and no it wasnt sneaky as it was a welled Scale, it was also not the immune or lower dmg monster it was hiermikles or however you spell it. unfortunately i died like 10 times trying to kill it due to hitting it for literally 0 and having to self regen each time. i honestly believed it was going to drop a HUGE ee scale but i received something like 20ee, which means i took too long to kill it, so im convinced there is a 'timer' where every xx seconds the item loses stat value.

it terms of muting my luck has been pretty bad regardless of the ML used. but plenty of people swear by it and have proven to be successful.

that being said, I believe ML works like increasing chance to roll higher stats, higher rarity (more rolls for desired stat)


TLDR

using ML makes a difference to your drops 1000% - run around with ML gear, kill/die/regen
using ML on muting makes a difference?!? probably
using ML on a well makes a difference 1000% - use ML to spawn and finish the monster


Ian, you really solo'd hard and paid attention more than most slashers. In a really short timeframe you learned a hell of a lot about the game. I agree with most of this, and what I don't agree with is just nitpicky stuff and semantics. Grats on your drops; despite not a lot of time played, you really grinded hard for them. Well deserved mate :hail:
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Quote (iamRealms @ May 30 2022 09:04am)
i couldnt say exactly how ML works, but there is a 1000% chance it makes a difference to the drops/rolls.

I have been told countless times, it takes years and if ur lucky u will find a 200ee item or w.e, Yes ofc it will take years if you use 0ML and only whistle climb.

in my opinion ML works and is heavily underrated for whatever reason. IT does help you find better gear, see my profile for my personal drops and the ML that was used to get them, along with dates.

I dont play the game anywhere near as much as many here, yet i find good drops. I tend to run around wearing ML gear and 'death farm' majority of all drops was from EPs.

action counters - there is some truth, generally if u are hitting an EP and it dies quick it just means the lvl of the monster is low and you would end up getting low tier drops.

welled monsters - there have been countless cases where a monster will hit you for 1k-2k crits and strong items have dropped. basically the monster has taken the stats of an item they are holding and you have a certain 'time' frame to kill that monster before it loses the item or the item becomes crap.
I once had a monster where i hit for 0 consistently, i was using 235ee dagger too, and no it wasnt sneaky as it was a welled Scale, it was also not the immune or lower dmg monster it was hiermikles or however you spell it. unfortunately i died like 10 times trying to kill it due to hitting it for literally 0 and having to self regen each time. i honestly believed it was going to drop a HUGE ee scale but i received something like 20ee, which means i took too long to kill it, so im convinced there is a 'timer' where every xx seconds the item loses stat value.

it terms of muting my luck has been pretty bad regardless of the ML used. but plenty of people swear by it and have proven to be successful.

that being said, I believe ML works like increasing chance to roll higher stats, higher rarity (more rolls for desired stat)


TLDR

using ML makes a difference to your drops 1000% - run around with ML gear, kill/die/regen
using ML on muting makes a difference?!? probably
using ML on a well makes a difference 1000% - use ML to spawn and finish the monster


ive run round with ML more than a lot and i do agree with most of this for sure, however over time i have come to think that ml works best for wells and playing the game running round death farming doesn't need as much ML as everyone thinks. yes change to it for the EP kills but running round and lowering the kill speed of the rest of the map is silly. yes ware 1 item of ml but no need for 2 unless they have other useful stats.

in a nut shell if i am solo exploring i try to always make sure i have at least 1 ml on items i use for the chance of overspawns, and if i get to a ep wave i use some ml items to kill them finally (i havent had any luck with this but understand they have luck on HC doing it this way), wearing more ML is wasted for the killspeed is lower. but then Brad and Jowly have found a lot of stuff doing it with more ML so they are in a good position to state what and how they do it.

welling is as Ian says (ive been very fortunate with this lately)

i also did maybe 100+ NMNM with 37ml killing all the monsters and found nothing more than skillables. so the dying aspect of the game with drops is something to take consideration about.

my drops are in my profile also last 4 are welling, the 206 focus is death farming with 37ml and the int/mana lvl15 is deathfarming also (this was from a MD map that took 4 hours to complete with 37 ml at all times)

This post was edited by Mezzer69 on May 30 2022 02:45am
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May 30 2022 02:39am
my interpretation of how magic luck works is the following

1) Magic luck is great... without a doubt the best thing ingame to use if you're a treasure seeker like I am.
2) wearing it on kill? I mean honestly I tried switching between gear on kill and it seems like it works but the jury's still out in my opinion. It's far easier to just get hybrid ML gear and wear it the entire time (granted quite expensive to obtain).
3) Well my profile like iamRealms does show that ML works... also GG on your drops iamrealms and happy hunting :).
4) It's weird but honestly I've had better luck wearing less ML while welling than more, but that's just personal experience. I also have better luck when welling with more than 1 person, but once again my own experience.
5) I do a lot of death farming, probably more than any player in LS right now. I can go hundreds of hours of playtime without a drop, it is a cruel mistress but I always wear 10ml+ these days as that is what I've found to be the sweet spot.

In the end I tend to agree with Iam, magic luck will in the end get you better drops overtime but its still very rare to get them. Happy hunting to all.

Edit: I have not had the pleasure of messing around with 37 ML in a while, but I mean 206 focus is pretty damn nice. One thing I did want to bring up is that I stay the heck away from trapdoors these days as they slow me down a lot and aside from seeing a 198 ee lvl 55 dagger drop a long time ago... I've never actually seen anything good drop when being down TDs despite playing in them a lot.

This post was edited by Jowly on May 30 2022 02:56am
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May 31 2022 03:55pm
Thanks all.

Sounds like typical RNG games and basics: "Add enough ML, without reducing your kill speed drastically". = More runs = more kills = more items to drop = more chances to find better items.

Ladder Slasher isn't different. Death farming is replacing the lack of farming areas/monsters, but is in a sense just like having High Level characters farming one specific area (in this case it is based on level) over and over until Reset.

Okay:

Try to get +10 ML total with your gear without reducing your Kill speed too much. Hopefully you can wear this setup while fully exploring Catacomb / Map maze(s) & Welling. (without switching gear).

Since exploring spawns random Monster levels, it is more beneficial than whistling which only spawns that specific level?

Once again thanks all. Hope others got some handy info from this.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on May 31 2022 03:56pm
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Quote (Stok3d @ May 29 2022 12:20am)
:) Reading this Rex post makes me feel like I never left.

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Quote (iamRealms @ May 30 2022 03:04am)
i couldnt say exactly how ML works, but there is a 1000% chance it makes a difference to the drops/rolls.

I have been told countless times, it takes years and if ur lucky u will find a 200ee item or w.e, Yes ofc it will take years if you use 0ML and only whistle climb.

in my opinion ML works and is heavily underrated for whatever reason. IT does help you find better gear, see my profile for my personal drops and the ML that was used to get them, along with dates.

I dont play the game anywhere near as much as many here, yet i find good drops. I tend to run around wearing ML gear and 'death farm' majority of all drops was from EPs.

action counters - there is some truth, generally if u are hitting an EP and it dies quick it just means the lvl of the monster is low and you would end up getting low tier drops.

welled monsters - there have been countless cases where a monster will hit you for 1k-2k crits and strong items have dropped. basically the monster has taken the stats of an item they are holding and you have a certain 'time' frame to kill that monster before it loses the item or the item becomes crap.
I once had a monster where i hit for 0 consistently, i was using 235ee dagger too, and no it wasnt sneaky as it was a welled Scale, it was also not the immune or lower dmg monster it was hiermikles or however you spell it. unfortunately i died like 10 times trying to kill it due to hitting it for literally 0 and having to self regen each time. i honestly believed it was going to drop a HUGE ee scale but i received something like 20ee, which means i took too long to kill it, so im convinced there is a 'timer' where every xx seconds the item loses stat value.

it terms of muting my luck has been pretty bad regardless of the ML used. but plenty of people swear by it and have proven to be successful.

that being said, I believe ML works like increasing chance to roll higher stats, higher rarity (more rolls for desired stat)


TLDR

using ML makes a difference to your drops 1000% - run around with ML gear, kill/die/regen
using ML on muting makes a difference?!? probably
using ML on a well makes a difference 1000% - use ML to spawn and finish the monster


all this, yet u never have fg? whats up with that?
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Quote (iBankBobsTips @ Jun 1 2022 01:46am)
all this, yet u never have fg? whats up with that?


3 words really

Rip or Flip


usually Rip
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May 31 2022 08:13pm
Not sure about this "Action Counter" when it comes to weapons (Normal vs Heavy) and kill speed.

Simply: less actions ("Action Counter") using Heavy Weapons vs normal weapons or casting. Killing monster.


Currently testing:
... Level 64+
... Guardian
... Strength 34
... Dexterity 81 (base + items)
... Average Damage 453.50 / DPS 251.94
... Tier XII (level 45) Polearm = 89% Enhanced Effect / +8 Critical Strike / +2 Dexterity (Rank 2)
... Tier XII (level 45) Wild Heal = 34 Dexterity
... Tier XIV (level 55) Plate = +9 Magic Luck (0% Enhanced Effect)

Seems like I am killing quite fast, say in 1-5 actions (1.8 sec delay) with setup @ 64+ and drops (if any) aren't that solid either, but definitely need more runs to check it out... may even reduce my damage.
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