Quote (RabbitRoyal @ Apr 6 2021 11:20am)

Thank you! Yeah, that was the part that I was curious about. I did quite a lot of testing with daggers back in the day when I had my old 136ee + 13 crit dagger, it went great with my 13 crit scale as well... good times. I think the most I ever tried using was 47 crit :rofl:

Hmm, so if you have a 55 dex charm and one with 45 dex + 20 str, there might actually be some merit to using the one with strength add for more crits, assuming that your mq dagger has enough ee to handle the loss of dex :unsure:

103str 114dex 0cs - 9% (n=9)
45str 116dex 0cs - 3.9% (n=10)

Quote (Nemo-dude @ Apr 6 2021 12:48pm)

Wow thanks everyone for sharing all this info. I have been reading through your thead BWC and iz, I will come back with any questions.

Awesome!

Quote (izParagonzi @ 7 Apr 2021 00:16)

The only thing we never added in those tests was Damage numbers.

How much damage (avg) do you get with the 55 dex charm vs the 45 dex + 20 str charm? Does the % Crit Hit chance help in overall damage?

100 runs with 55 dex vs 100 runs with 45/20 dual stat ... could be a thing to check out... or maybe just Kill or hit numbers.

Quote (BWConformity @ 7 Apr 2021 01:10)

Yeah we didn't have enough data points to guess what would happen at intermediate levels of strength, but in general you should probably not stack any specific damage stat, unless you can do it without sacrificing the others. When you are high in one damage stat, adding more of the others is usually beneficial.

Daggers with high ee and you already have high dex, adding str / crit can be effective
Daggers with high ee and and you have low dex, probably better to add dex and look away from str / crit
Daggers with low ee and low dex, again probably better to add dex before looking at crit stats
Etc, etc.

For your example: "so if you have a 55 dex charm and one with 45 dex + 20 str, there might actually be some merit to using the one with strength add for more crits, assuming that your mq dagger has enough ee to handle the loss of dex :unsure:"

First off, make sure you can handle not only the loss of dex by having enough ee, but also by having enough dex. Dex is not ee, but rather a factor, so if you have really low dex and a really high ee weapon, 1 dex > 1 ee, but if you have low ee and high dex, 1 ee > 1 dex, and depending on the amounts, the difference can be dramatic.

After making sure to check that box, the answer is still probably more complicated than we can answer yet, but given the right ee, dex, str, and crit strike already on the character, yes 20 str could definitely be more useful than 10 dex.

One of the biggest mistakes I made when I drank those hundreds of potions on Screened was, I saved all the strength potions. I used dagger/spear/staff that season and even though having 200 base dex is great, I basically never crit unless I was wearing a crit strike charm (which I never did because I was wearing ML). I had a lot of strength potions I coulda drunk... Oh well, maybe I'll resurrect the strongest rogue ever in a few years, this time with more than base strength :lol:



No problem, glad to help :)