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Jan 13 2021 07:50pm
Quote (BwJ @ Jan 14 2021 12:02pm)
Easily readable on my end. Why not record yourself?


Reason 1: I don't do full group climbs.
Reason 2: 1gb RAM / 2010 Compaq PC since my main one died over 2 years ago and constantly running 2 chrome windows.

Otherwise I would have done it, but then if multiple people did this, it will provide information faster and more accurately than testing different scenarios each climb.

A recording will show:
#1 Prof gain per wave (if any)
#2 How often you gain more than 1 prof point using different abilities other than Multi = Strike / Cast / Heal
#3 Undeniable belief that 0 hit = 0 prof gain (which someone else is testing this out)
#4 When doe Item level (Tier) loses prof gain potential... example: TierIII Battleaxe prof rate gain remains the same from level 1-10 before rate start diminishing.
#5 Welling (if group members well items), what item level loses prof gain potential per level of item dropped in well and character level, tested out level 35 Battleaxe gain prof welling level 35 items@ level 69 welling, but not when welling @ level 70... but, Healing will gain profs at a good rate
#6+ Basically other things to test, and recorded information can be paused for noting information a lot easier and faster if I or someone else spent time doing this.

But still, again I would if I met the criteria.

Quote (schmoogalaboo @ Jan 14 2021 12:15pm)
I think both sets of screenshots are fantastic

And clearly readable


Nice... doesn't seem to work with more poor man PC with 1gb and 10 years old.

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Quote (Bigheaded @ Jan 14 2021 02:38pm)
The first 500 actions in that climb would not have counted for prof, as that's reaching level 12 (cant gain prof equal to or below your level). I can't give a precise number and theoretically if i really cared i would have left and rejoined the group at level 12 to reset my actions and screenshot that as a start point.

6300-500 = 5800.
so 5800 actions / 1307 = 22.5% chance of getting prof that game
Can clear see i went both multistrike and revenge. You don't stand a chance of getting any where near 6300 actions in 85 minutes without abilities.
85 * 60 seconds = 5100. So significantly higher than 1 "hit" per second.

Unfortunately due to unstable internet/unstable LS i can't get further screenshots. Keep disconnecting which throws off my action counter.


Also for Rex's sake
Screenshot 1: This is for consistency, this is the run start. In all 4 screenshots you can see my current time in the bottom right as well. This is 0 actions just to prove i didn't get a tonne of actions built up or anything daft.
Screenshot 2: This shows what my club prof is at, at the start of the climb, as you can see i'm still at 0 exp.
Screenshot 3: This the end of the run, where you can see my new value of club prof
Screenshot 4: This shows my total actions and the time taken to get those actions. Can see the time will tally up with the bottom right.

I grouped all 4 screenshots into one image to save messing around with uploads and make saving the image easier.


Also having the prof thing open to see the +1s doesnt really help, as a multistrike which gets the full +9 prof will still "show" only +1, i'm reasonably sure they stack 9 +1's on top of each other though as i'm sure it's a tiny bit brighter when it procs multiple times in one multihit.


If you have Rank 5-10 in say Dagger, but can use a sword and the rank is lower, then use a sword during level 1-11... it isn't rocket science, just a different way of doing things... like I stated, I have always prof hunted basically when I started playing LS.

I can NOT read your SS's... don't you get that? You maybe able to on your end, but I can NOT even when I am using 150% zoom, and if I go higher, it blurs your image... damn.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jan 13 2021 07:54pm
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Jan 13 2021 08:41pm
Quote (Bigheaded @ Jan 14 2021 02:38pm)
Also having the prof thing open to see the +1s doesnt really help, as a multistrike which gets the full +9 prof will still "show" only +1, i'm reasonably sure they stack 9 +1's on top of each other though as i'm sure it's a tiny bit brighter when it procs multiple times in one multihit.


Could not edit previous post where I answered the paragraphs above this last one when I returned to re read posts.

Good to know, did not realize that because of the following;

Since I tested prof gain prior to the Prof table showing +1's etc, I did it the long way solo'ing and in group do what you do... take a note of starting prof point total, complete run and then look at the total points gained. And of course the total actions etc. Also realized that my ping is worse than a lot of group members where my total actions were always less than theirs even though I was spam clicking everything when using a Sword, not heavy weapon while driving on top of healing group as a backup healer & tanking. So what you are doing is NOTHING new to me, so move past trying to prove something that is not new. Thanks.

EDIT: You don't have to prove yourself to me, I don't care or matter in the scheme of things for testing or gaining relevant prof gain information, no matter the source, all source is great sauce (intentional error to spelling)

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jan 13 2021 08:45pm
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Jan 13 2021 09:25pm
I’m not trying to flame I’m just genuinely curious..

If you never group climb then why are you curious to know how much prof you gain in a group climb? And why does it even really matter?

Having level 10 or even 30 in a prof isn’t game breaking. What’s the point of “prof farming”? Does this even exist? Aren’t you just playing the game and passively gaining prof as you play? How does one farm for proficiency?
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Jan 13 2021 10:30pm
Quote (Newb. @ Jan 14 2021 04:25pm)
I’m not trying to flame I’m just genuinely curious..

If you never group climb then why are you curious to know how much prof you gain in a group climb? And why does it even really matter?

Having level 10 or even 30 in a prof isn’t game breaking. What’s the point of “prof farming”? Does this even exist? Aren’t you just playing the game and passively gaining prof as you play? How does one farm for proficiency?


You basically answered your own questions without realizing it.

I have always played games where you build up your character without relying on items.

FFVII is one example where you farm +1 Stat items in certain areas over and over again until you reach maximum Stat 255 in that stat before continuing further.

I have also done the reverse with FFVIII where my highest level character was 11 and completed the game using "Draw" and "Card" at the beach before going to "Dollet" where I killed off my character in the group and leveling up Seifer to 99 and Drawing everything up to like Curaga, Firaga etc and transferring them to the members of the group that were dead... once Seifer leaves the group and you complete Dollet quest, you keep all the "Drawn" abilities at your level and Seifer leaves and when you come across him again, he is NOT lvl 99.

So... to put this simply... if you reached rank 50 for sword as an example, you only need to use a 30% ee TierIII sword to deal maximum damage (outside of strength items) ... and then for TierIV you just need a 50% ee Sword, and so on... so basically, a 60 EE TIII sword is useless for you, same as an 80% EE TierIV sword... this goes for charms as well.

BUT: this is my way of thinking... and Rank 50 is high, but it still works wonders even at higher levels and the gear you use or want to purchase.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jan 13 2021 10:31pm
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Jan 13 2021 10:40pm
Quote (izParagonzi @ Jan 13 2021 11:30pm)
You basically answered your own questions without realizing it.

I have always played games where you build up your character without relying on items.

FFVII is one example where you farm +1 Stat items in certain areas over and over again until you reach maximum Stat 255 in that stat before continuing further.

I have also done the reverse with FFVIII where my highest level character was 11 and completed the game using "Draw" and "Card" at the beach before going to "Dollet" where I killed off my character in the group and leveling up Seifer to 99 and Drawing everything up to like Curaga, Firaga etc and transferring them to the members of the group that were dead... once Seifer leaves the group and you complete Dollet quest, you keep all the "Drawn" abilities at your level and Seifer leaves and when you come across him again, he is NOT lvl 99.

So... to put this simply... if you reached rank 50 for sword as an example, you only need to use a 30% ee TierIII sword to deal maximum damage (outside of strength items) ... and then for TierIV you just need a 50% ee Sword, and so on... so basically, a 60 EE TIII sword is useless for you, same as an 80% EE TierIV sword... this goes for charms as well.

BUT: this is my way of thinking... and Rank 50 is high, but it still works wonders even at higher levels and the gear you use or want to purchase.


you ever tried playing soccer with your legs tied together at the ankles?

that's pretty challenging and fun as well
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Jan 13 2021 10:41pm
Quote (izParagonzi @ Jan 13 2021 08:30pm)
You basically answered your own questions without realizing it.

I have always played games where you build up your character without relying on items.

FFVII is one example where you farm +1 Stat items in certain areas over and over again until you reach maximum Stat 255 in that stat before continuing further.

I have also done the reverse with FFVIII where my highest level character was 11 and completed the game using "Draw" and "Card" at the beach before going to "Dollet" where I killed off my character in the group and leveling up Seifer to 99 and Drawing everything up to like Curaga, Firaga etc and transferring them to the members of the group that were dead... once Seifer leaves the group and you complete Dollet quest, you keep all the "Drawn" abilities at your level and Seifer leaves and when you come across him again, he is NOT lvl 99.

So... to put this simply... if you reached rank 50 for sword as an example, you only need to use a 30% ee TierIII sword to deal maximum damage (outside of strength items) ... and then for TierIV you just need a 50% ee Sword, and so on... so basically, a 60 EE TIII sword is useless for you, same as an 80% EE TierIV sword... this goes for charms as well.

BUT: this is my way of thinking... and Rank 50 is high, but it still works wonders even at higher levels and the gear you use or want to purchase.



Yeah I guess. But with how slow gaining prof is, wouldn’t you have found better than those swords for example by the time your prof is of that level? Making the prof irrelevant at those tiers?
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Jan 13 2021 10:44pm
Quote (ToughGuy_TJ @ Jan 14 2021 05:40pm)
you ever tried playing soccer with your legs tied together at the ankles?

that's pretty challenging and fun as well


Well, football is one sided and a square box with regulations, this is a game that has no boundaries unless YOU want to impose them... so go ahead and bind your legs playing football (soccer) all you want, but LS has multitudes of room to move, and if you can not see that, then that is YOUR LOSS.

Note: mind you, the nerfs kill the potential of this game, shit, even if Paul increased prof gain to 20 maximum per wave, it won't make any difference to people that speed run... they will only get an average of 5 prof points from level 1-MQ.

Prof me wrong... you can't.

Quote (Newb. @ Jan 14 2021 05:41pm)
Yeah I guess. But with how slow gaining prof is, wouldn’t you have found better than those swords for example by the time your prof is of that level? Making the prof irrelevant at those tiers?


Like I did in the past... if I reached like Rank 10 in sword, I would use a different item from level 1-11, let us say a club that has Rank 0, and move on and so forth.

EDIT: forgot to add a golden rule to all games including LS... "Clicking is the ONLY thing that matters"... this is the same with Prof hunting.

You can do 10,000 clicks while in full group vs 10,000 click while solo'ing... it is the same, the difference is based on how many Runs you do in a full group during 10,000 clicks in comparison to runs solo'ing. Doesn't really matter other than you having more chances of unlocking characters that NEGATE the use of the item you are adept at using and you have to use something else.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jan 13 2021 10:53pm
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Jan 14 2021 01:03am
i tried to read this while eating my powder donut holes and drinking milk but yall let me down, gl with the results as ill be returning to work before yall figure it out
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Quote (Kn0ck0ut @ Jan 14 2021 08:03pm)
i tried to read this while eating my powder donut holes and drinking milk but yall let me down, gl with the results as ill be returning to work before yall figure it out


Quite honestly... I don't think it matters, all that is needed is either 1 or more people to post their recording, as for all the banter beforehand, it is just crap.
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Jan 18 2021 07:32pm
reset to 0 actions at level 19 seeing i have 18 fire prof.



Is the image any better? Not sure why i screened at lvl 50 as well, but it's there.
i find it unlikely someone will record it for you.

Group actions in particular really look like 20%, wonder if there's a difference between explore mobs/whistle mobs for prof.
It might explain some irregularities in my results.
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