My experience has been different. At higher lvls (around 60) I found that using no magic luck yields the most amount of no drops (monsters that give nothing upon death), using near maxed ml on my lvl 30 yields mostly tier 1 and 2 junk, and using 11 ml at lvl 60 drops well.....lots of tier 1-2 junk with a sprinkle of lvl 30 and up gear. This is only on the normal mobs. I’ve found almost all my godlies (175 we charm, 50 dex armor, etc....) using 11 ml and farming the shit out of lvl 60-70 eps and objective monsters.

Edit: also, I have been told by numerous people that they find better items when they complete the runs (go from lvl 1-71, mq, and repeat) rather than park at lvl 60 or so. Personally, I park it and still find lots of junk, and some decent items as well so.......what works best? Who knows.....

This post was edited by CARTRACK on Nov 10 2020 09:39am

On the monster time to kill:
It is of course a function of monster live/armor vs your damage. I am not sure for a given monster attacking with lower dmg weapon would give more/better drops. But this is easy to test.

The test i shared indeed has different dmg on weapons, but at lvl1 almost all monsters die to a t3 sword in one kill. So the difference in weapon is not relevant for time to kill, almost all got 1-hit-killed. Only ep dont. But i did maybe 2-3 eps, and then decided to whistle instead of walk.

Did anyone test higher level magic luck? Eg 20+ to see effect?

People have tested ML ages ago, but since "Overspawn" added to the game, you will most likely find a ton of X ML numbers. All based on Overspawn though... but a very solid lead on some numbers for you.

You will also find some ML numbers posted in the "Average Drops' & 'Sexy Drop' threads. (if they post ML vs Normal or EP monsters, you can check LabattBlues' post in the average thread stating 18 ML vs 3 EPs @ level 54)

Edit: ok i read about it. What do you mean with “likely to find ton of X ML numbers”? That magic luck stat drops often? Well its not in the market - costs 1k to buy 10ml or so...

This post was edited by culum on Nov 10 2020 11:30am

My reference (highlighted blue in your quote) was to the amount of Magic Luck people had on when they found an 'Overspawn' or 'Average / Sexy' item they from either Welling, Muting or just drops.

So you could use that for your hypothesis to ML. I also believe there are some major discussions about hypothesis s in the Overspawn thread, and others that I could not find.

Basically not easy to get a fix to how ML truly works without Paul telling us.

I 100% agree. Slower you kill a monster or the hard it is for you to kill, the better drops.

which is it?
1-slower kill by intention (e.g. low dmg weapon)
2- monster is more difficult?

the second one makes sense by game design, it is also mentioned by njaguar:


the first one needs testing. for example use tier1 weapon on lvl10 monsters and see if drops are better.

there is a text in release notes of which may hint this is happening.


it may be that this code uses time and monster count to decide on drop. in this case, you are right, also #2 works for better drops. but we need to test and see.

I think it’s both. I think monster is definitely the case, but to me it seems that if you just take longer it works too, but to a lesser extent. (All this tested on wells For me)

I feel like, if ML affect drop quantity or drop magical level, it is a bug in the code.
Your sample size is still within margin of statistical error - so it is not save to say.

But the only thing ML should affect according to the portal are the stats on the item rolled itself

A better test would have been to record range of a mod roll on an item.

Kill x monsters with zero and just tally average roll of EE on an item.

Then Kill x monsters with magic luck and see if the average is higher.