Bought/Sold on 30 Jul 2020 20:28 for 150.00
Bought/Sold on 28 Jul 2020 08:57 for 5.00

Do you see year 2018 somewhere? It was muted by SZSZ - bought a muteable for 5fg and rerolled it to the QD Dagger which he sold.
If you check the item ID it is from this year

Dagger ID: 1224478825
Random ID: 1224255660

The random ID is from an item found and sold by me at the same month: https://ladderslasher.d2jsp.org/itemHistory.php?i=1224255660&c=0

This was muted with ML and is an overspawn.

And if someone found one recently, that is going to be with ML. Maybe the finder didn't notice that he was wearing ML or misspoke or it's misremembered, but there's no chance that I change my chart on QD making it the only property that uses multiple factors instead of a single one per tier in determination of property roll based on a hypothetical item found when overspawns are possible without any actual evidence... If anyone knows of an old 21 QD item found prior to the rewrite allowing ML to produce overspawns, please link the item ID or the owner. Otherwise, it didn't happen

This post was edited by BWConformity on Oct 24 2020 09:18pm

Can you show us one item that has been found since creation of time that is overspawn lvl 55?

That's an overly large degree of certainty. I've found a couple 21QD shrines. You seem more than willing to equate something to overspawn when you don't know the numbers for sure.

At this point, I think the highest degree of certainty you should apply is, "QD can spawn at 21 (possibly higher), but that may be ML-based overspawn". At least then, you're not falling prey to the same ASSumptions everyone else always does.

That is, unless Paul has shared the verified drop table with you, when he did not with anyone else?



This is also an incredibly relevant question. I've yet to see a 71+ strength item, or a 281+ee item. Have you?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Oct 24 2020 09:36pm

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=79249898&f=272&p=535789220



Alright then, I am not sure that Paul didn't choose to make QD spawn using at least two different factors per tier when he used only a single factor per tier on every other item property in the game. I just find it highly unlikely and am not willing to reject the null hypothesis in this case based on "I saw a 21 QD item and I don't think ML was used." I like you guys, but when you are saying that Ragnarok's chart is right when he literally just guessed 1.5 as the factor...

When did I say anything about Rag's chart? All I said was that I have personally found multiple 21qd items. With no other relevant spawns, they were shrines. Was I wearing ML? I don't know and don't care. I can tell you if I was, it wasn't more than 9, because that's the highest I ever wear at any time on any class.

I'm more interested in your degree of certainty than I am on who's chart is "right".

The thing about Rag’s chart being right was in response to Nic’s earlier comment. I care which one is right because I want to know the correct max. If my chart is wrong I want to correct it, so I’m hoping if someone here has actual info, they bring it forward, so I can do so.

QD is actually a rare property already, and ofc any property near max is gonna have a low chance of rolling... so If you really found multiple 21 qd items then you are one of the unluckiest lucky players ever.

Anyone else found a bunch of 21 qd items?

I have not known QD to be any more rare of a mod than anything else. I can tell you that high tier spawns of QD are far more common than EE, or even lifesteal (which is funny).

It's mainly considered "rare" because it was post-tier cap. When drops were still just drops, QD wasn't implemented yet. It's a post-"unspawnable" mod update. Didn't exist in the text-based game iirc.

My suggestion would be rather than arguing over something you aren't absolutely certain of, simply put out the call for people to post their highest QD drops of any given tier. Get 100+ people involved (plus ML posting) for a few months, should be easy enough to nail down.

Are you all just fucking blind.

Take the ID # and find out that it was AFTER the implementation of ML that was introduced in 2018... for fuck sake, it is NOT rocket science.

I hope you prove me wrong... but that is fucking unlikely.

EDIT: here is a clue... ID # increases by a factor of 10.... starting at 000000000000000000000000000000000001 ... it does not have a decimal point. so the first item # is 1

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Oct 24 2020 10:13pm

At this point I’m just going to assume you are trolling me.