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Quote (Pick @ Mar 7 2019 02:39am)
Timing has nothing, NOTHING to do with escapes and Im nearly positive on that.

Like i said before, i understand how fishing works, just seems the escapes are random?


Then you have a packet transfer problem... your transfer speed is slow and/or missing data.

Quote (Cheeya @ Mar 7 2019 02:28am)
Re-read my last sentence. I HAVE TRIED IT AND YOU ARE WRONG. lmk when your sample size is more than ~10k prof points and more like the 112.5k fishing and 42k cooking Ive already done :) Timing does nothing for the quality of fish to drop or number of escaped fish. NOTHING. 0% increase/decrease between spam clicking and 1 action/s. NOTHING. Feel free to test it out though. Waste multiple hours of your life on something plenty of fishers can tell you already if you would only listen.


Okay... so durability on the rod does NOT count, like you stated earlier to my initial post? As for cooking, stop trying to cook above your means, cook lower to increase your prof to help cook better.

EDIT: it isn't listening skills I lack, it is other people that can not fucking read or comprehend basics... it is TIMING... if you don't respond correctly within that time... you fail... simple. Using good rods help fishing successfully, improving cooking prof slower helps cooking better fish with better results because your skill is better, BUT, timing matters here as well.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Mar 6 2019 07:48am
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Then you have a packet transfer problem... your transfer speed is slow and/or missing data.



Okay... so durability on the rod does NOT count, like you stated earlier to my initial post? As for cooking, stop trying to cook above your means, cook lower to increase your prof to help cook better.

EDIT: it isn't listening skills I lack, it is other people that can not fucking read or comprehend basics... it is TIMING... if you don't respond correctly within that time... you fail... simple. Using good rods help fishing successfully, improving cooking prof slower helps cooking better fish with better results because your skill is better, BUT, timing matters here as well.


Cant tell if trolling or you really just went from telling me to time my clicks instead of spam click to telling me if I dont respond in time I fail... Are you even reading your own replies? Timing is only important if you are low prof and in fishing's case your rod is shit. Timing MAY increase your chance of successfully completing a fish ONLY because you dont miss snag/flame actions. If those dont actually affect the outcome then TIMING DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL WHATSOEVER! PERIOD!. I can literally cook tier 2 fish without dealing with flame counters almost. I can miss 2-3 before it even becomes a possibility that I wont complete the fish but its still my minimum fish.
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Quote (Pick @ Mar 6 2019 02:54pm)
This was my thoughts too, thanks.

Yes i understand how fishing works, that isnt what im asking, but im sure that might be helpful to someone who reads the topic.



Hmm ok. So sounds like escapes are just random then? Cuz i got a lot this morning


It looks like it happens more often if you're lagging. Although I can't be sure, it might be a coincidence.

Don't think the amount of clicks affect it, but like Rex said the timing seems to matter, not in the way he said though. So if timing matters it would explain why lagging makes it worse.

I might be imagining things, but if you want to click at the exact time you'll get the most progress, there's a higher chance it will happen right before or after the click.

Also seems like it happens more often if you're "too fast" rather than "too slow", so it might be some sort of anti-cheating thing. ( Edit: By that I meant you've made a lot of progress on the current fish, and lost little rod durability )

But again, it's all speculations. It's hard to prove if something actually affects it or if it's all random. I'm actually curious to see what other people are gonna say.

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Quote (izParagonzi @ Mar 6 2019 08:44am)
Then you have a packet transfer problem... your transfer speed is slow and/or missing data.



Okay... so durability on the rod does NOT count, like you stated earlier to my initial post? As for cooking, stop trying to cook above your means, cook lower to increase your prof to help cook better.

EDIT: it isn't listening skills I lack, it is other people that can not fucking read or comprehend basics... it is TIMING... if you don't respond correctly within that time... you fail... simple. Using good rods help fishing successfully, improving cooking prof slower helps cooking better fish with better results because your skill is better, BUT, timing matters here as well.


Quote (Jupiter5 @ Mar 6 2019 09:00am)
It looks like it happens more often if you're lagging. Although I can't be sure, it might be a coincidence.

Don't think the amount of clicks affect it, but like Rex said the timing seems to matter, not in the way he said though. So if timing matters it would explain why lagging makes it worse.

I might be imagining things, but if you want to click at the exact time you'll get the most progress, there's a higher chance it will happen right before or after the click.

Also seems like it happens more often if you're "too fast" rather than "too slow", so it might be some sort of anti-cheating thing.

But again, it's all speculations. It's hard to prove if something actually affects it or if it's all random. I'm actually curious to see what other people are gonna say.


Lag might actually have something to do with it. Ls was pretty laggy this morning for me dispite my net being fine. Hmm interesting
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Quote (Cheeya @ Mar 7 2019 02:58am)
Cant tell if trolling or you really just went from telling me to time my clicks instead of spam click to telling me if I dont respond in time I fail... Are you even reading your own replies? Timing is only important if you are low prof and in fishing's case your rod is shit. Timing MAY increase your chance of successfully completing a fish ONLY because you dont miss snag/flame actions. If those dont actually affect the outcome then TIMING DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL WHATSOEVER! PERIOD!. I can literally cook tier 2 fish without dealing with flame counters almost. I can miss 2-3 before it even becomes a possibility that I wont complete the fish but its still my minimum fish.


oh fuck... so much to say but won't fucking bother... if you can not figure this out, don't bother with responding. Just take it as a real life skill that you don't have.



Quote (Jupiter5 @ Mar 7 2019 03:00am)
It looks like it happens more often if you're lagging. Although I can't be sure, it might be a coincidence.

Don't think the amount of clicks affect it, but like Rex said the timing seems to matter, not in the way he said though. So if timing matters it would explain why lagging makes it worse.

I might be imagining things, but if you want to click at the exact time you'll get the most progress, there's a higher chance it will happen right before or after the click.

Also seems like it happens more often if you're "too fast" rather than "too slow", so it might be some sort of anti-cheating thing.

But again, it's all speculations. It's hard to prove if something actually affects it or if it's all random. I'm actually curious to see what other people are gonna say.


My explanation may have been too vague.

It is actually RESPONDING within the TIMEFRAME at the TIME they RESPONDED... I condensed it to TIMING.
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Quote (izParagonzi @ Mar 6 2019 04:15pm)
oh fuck... so much to say but won't fucking bother... if you can not figure this out, don't bother with responding. Just take it as a real life skill that you don't have.





My explanation may have been too vague.

It is actually RESPONDING within the TIMEFRAME at the TIME they RESPONDED... I condensed it to TIMING.


Yes that's most likely true, because it often happens if I don't wanna respond to the server as soon as I can, but want to wait a tiny bit longer so I can respond at a time when I think I'll get better progress.

But if that's true, then why doesn't it happen ALL the time? 90% + of the times if you don't respond to the server, you just lose health bar and keep loosing health bar until your rod snaps. Why does it only chose to happen "sometimes"?

Edit: Btw I'm 100% sure there were times when it happened for no reason whatsoever, like right after I attempt a new fish, or just "randomly" when I can't see any logic behind it.

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Quote (izParagonzi @ 6 Mar 2019 08:15)
oh fuck... so much to say but won't fucking bother... if you can not figure this out, don't bother with responding. Just take it as a real life skill that you don't have.

My explanation may have been too vague.

It is actually RESPONDING within the TIMEFRAME at the TIME they RESPONDED... I condensed it to TIMING.


The only real life skill I dont have pertaining to this conversation is how to explain something to someone completely unwilling to accept that their minimal experience in a subject isnt enough. I get that you have a timeframe to respond. Guess what.. we were talking about spam clickers when this conversation started. That in and of itself SHOWS you arent even staying on track with your own argument. Spam clickers would NEVER miss that window. They may miss the flame/snags but they would hit every timeframe for response. Timing only affects your ability to accurately counter flame/snag and nothing more. It doesnt affect quality of fish. It doesnt affect chance for the fish to escape. It affects NOTHING but the counters. Stay on track or dont debate.


Quote (Jupiter5 @ 6 Mar 2019 08:32)
Yes that's most likely true, because it often happens if I don't wanna respond to the server as soon as I can, but want to wait a tiny bit longer so I can respond at a time when I think I'll get better progress.

But if that's true, then why doesn't it happen ALL the time? 90% + of the times if you don't respond to the server, you just lose health bar and keep loosing health bar until your rod snaps. Why does it only chose to happen "sometimes"?


Because its unrelated to timing ;)

I would like to hear from more top fishers but for the almost 15 ranks Ive done there has been nothing that suggests it being actually caused by anything but RNG.

This post was edited by Cheeya on Mar 6 2019 08:43am
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Yes that's most likely true, because it often happens if I don't wanna respond to the server as soon as I can, but want to wait a tiny bit longer so I can respond at a time when I think I'll get better progress.

But if that's true, then why doesn't it happen ALL the time? 90% + of the times if you don't respond to the server, you just lose health bar and keep loosing health bar until your rod snaps. Why does it only chose to happen "sometimes"?


I found that the game mechanics give a random number to "Successful" / "Fail" amounts... but, this can NEVER be determined.

Note: I live in New Zealand, in reality I am the furthest destination from the actual Server, this means packet transfer speed and the number of portals the packets need to go through is most likely higher than anyone else playing this game (even Australia, the fucking Sydney server dropped me twice after update... damn Aussies :lol: )

It could be a number of issues between portals from/to server/you and vice versa... but, it is all timing.

You could take a mental note of how far the bar increases vs decreases when you click... I did this when I studied fishing / cooking while playing this game, this is also what I do to this day using 0% enhanced chain/plate and physical damage received while playing solo... it is funny how little damage they inflict when using melee attacks.
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Quote (Cheeya @ Mar 7 2019 03:40am)
The only real life skill I dont have pertaining to this conversation is how to explain something to someone completely unwilling to accept that their minimal experience in a subject isnt enough. I get that you have a timeframe to respond. Guess what.. we were talking about spam clickers when this conversation started. That in and of itself SHOWS you arent even staying on track with your own argument. Spam clickers would NEVER miss that window. They may miss the flame/snags but they would hit every timeframe for response. Timing only affects your ability to accurately counter flame/snag and nothing more. It doesnt affect quality of fish. It doesnt affect chance for the fish to escape. It affects NOTHING but the counters. Stay on track or dont debate.


Refer to RED... thank you for pointing out what I was saying... you hit the nail on the head.
I wasn't talking about quality.
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Mar 6 2019 08:49am
Boys, topic of discussion is ESCAPED, not timing and how to properly fish. Ty tho back to topic of fish escaping da rod.

This post was edited by Pick on Mar 6 2019 08:49am
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