d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > d2jsp > Ladder Slasher > Remember That Time When Meridius And Dan Said... > Clubs Don't Really Crit?
Prev123Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Views: 543Replies: 25Track Topic
Member
Posts: 23,911
Joined: Aug 21 2007
Gold: 2,494.65
Trader: Trusted
#11
Mar 3 2019 01:56pm
Quote (BWConformity @ 3 Mar 2019 20:53)
Thanks for info.

I did one more crit test just for you.

Paladin - 257str 46dex 5cs 0ap 0ps

172 ee lvl 55 club

Total Damage (Min/Avg/Max)
0 (0/0/0)
Lvl 62 - 63: 7/100 7%
86845 (282/868/2758)
Lvl 63 - 64: 6/100 6%
177317 (178/887/2778)
Lvl 64 - 64: 12/100 12%
264851 (178/883/2778)
Lvl 64 - 65: 13/100 13%
355814 (178/890/2808)
Lvl 65 - 66: 8/100 8%
445254 (178/891/2808)
Lvl 66 - 66: 12/100 12%*
491221 (0/819/2808)

Average crit chance: 9.7% (n=6)

*Sneaky encountered at ~560 dmg actions.

Average crit chance with 257 str, 46 dex, and +5 crit strike. I believe that 46 dex and 5 crit strike are reasonable amounts of crit stats... and I'd say 9.7% average crit chance is higher than 1 crit in 50 hits. Inb4 you already knew all this.

You're welcome Bobmmunity.


now do same wwith swords and axes and see the crit chance there
Member
Posts: 18,172
Joined: Mar 15 2008
Gold: 67,650.04
#12
Mar 3 2019 01:59pm
Quote (Meridius @ Mar 3 2019 09:56am)
now do same wwith swords and axes and see the crit chance there


Are you saying that when you said:

"Note that critstrike mod with clubs seems to be broken as they are not critting much more

Bob888 tested that"
(http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=80525703&f=272&p=541938158)

You meant, crit strike with clubs is broken because clubs have a lower crit chance than swords which have a lower crit chance than axes and they should all be the same? :huh: Why would they be broken just because the crit rate is lower for clubs/daggers than it is for swords/staves than it is for axes? That's basic knowledge lol
Member
Posts: 23,911
Joined: Aug 21 2007
Gold: 2,494.65
Trader: Trusted
#13
Mar 3 2019 02:21pm
Quote (BWConformity @ 3 Mar 2019 20:59)
Are you saying that when you said:

"Note that critstrike mod with clubs seems to be broken as they are not critting much more

Bob888 tested that"
(http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=80525703&f=272&p=541938158)

You meant, crit strike with clubs is broken because clubs have a lower crit chance than swords which have a lower crit chance than axes and they should all be the same? :huh: Why would they be broken just because the crit rate is lower for clubs/daggers than it is for swords/staves than it is for axes? That's basic knowledge lol


broke in the regard that crit strike does way less for clubs than for any other weapon basically
Member
Posts: 18,172
Joined: Mar 15 2008
Gold: 67,650.04
#14
Mar 3 2019 02:23pm
Quote (Meridius @ Mar 3 2019 10:21am)
broke in the regard that crit strike does way less for clubs than for any other weapon basically


Are you sure you're not just thinking that crit strike is not doing as much for clubs as is it is for daggers because the dex on your barbarian is lower than the strength on your rogue/samurai/monk/ninja?
Member
Posts: 293,108
Joined: Sep 21 2007
Gold: 305.00
#15
Mar 3 2019 02:29pm
Quote
*Sneaky encountered at ~560 dmg actions.


That's more interesting :D

------

Clubs crit less than clubs. You can grace us with the numbers :D .

This post was edited by Bob888 on Mar 3 2019 02:35pm
Member
Posts: 23,911
Joined: Aug 21 2007
Gold: 2,494.65
Trader: Trusted
#16
Mar 3 2019 02:33pm
Quote (BWConformity @ 3 Mar 2019 21:23)
Are you sure you're not just thinking that crit strike is not doing as much for clubs as is it is for daggers because the dex on your barbarian is lower than the strength on your rogue/samurai/monk/ninja?


doesnt need to be exact same stats, just same ratio like you had with your stats, but with 5 cs

when my math is not wrong your ratio is 79/21~ with your stats
let's say that 5 cs equal 5% crit chance, than 11% ratio equals roughly 5% aswell with your testing
intersting would be how much more damage you'd have done with 90/10 ratio and 5cs

This post was edited by Meridius on Mar 3 2019 02:36pm
Member
Posts: 63,562
Joined: Jan 31 2007
Gold: 97.97
#17
Mar 3 2019 02:42pm
I don't get how you think you can accurately test crit on a base vs base basis while having outside modifying stats

Nvm you're saying the critstrike mod itself is broken I see

This post was edited by McDavid on Mar 3 2019 02:43pm
Member
Posts: 18,172
Joined: Mar 15 2008
Gold: 67,650.04
#18
Mar 3 2019 02:48pm
Quote (Bob888 @ Mar 3 2019 10:29am)
That's more interesting :D

------

Clubs crit less than clubs. You can grace us with the numbers :D .


Only changes the average damage--doesn't change the crit chance, which is all I care about anyway. I think you're just deflecting at this point. But at least you didn't say you already knew this lol.


Quote (Meridius @ Mar 3 2019 10:33am)
doesnt need to be exact same stats, just same ratio like you had with your stats, but with 5 cs

when my math is not wrong your ratio is 79/21~ with your stats
let's say that 5 cs equal 5% crit chance, than 11% ratio equals roughly 5% aswell with your testing
intersting would be how much more damage you'd have done with 90/10 ratio and 5cs


I'm going to be honest here... I don't understand what you are talking about with the 79/21 and the 90/10 ratios...?
Member
Posts: 59,984
Joined: Jul 10 2006
Gold: 7,863.56
#19
Mar 3 2019 02:53pm
I think he is using string theory
Member
Posts: 6,460
Joined: Dec 4 2011
Gold: 341.53
#20
Mar 3 2019 02:56pm
Lets be honest there's a reason Dan is hoarding clubs, he's onto something we clearly don't understand.
Go Back To Ladder Slasher Topic List
Prev123Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll

© 2003-2026 d2jsp  Contact