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Oct 8 2010 06:30am
What about damage taken?

I guess there still are crits from monsters. Are they only affected by dex?
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Oct 8 2010 06:33am
Guess this charm is worth quite a bit now :)

Mystical wind XIV
Level Req: 55
Spell Damage: 31 to 139
Mana Cost: 109
+70 Dexterity
+192 Max Mana
+1 Critical Strike

Although most of my melee gear is either str or a mix of str/dex :/
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Str vs Dex comparisons after 100 actions on each charm

Using the dex charm, total dmg 60,625, (73//735//2130)
Str 172, Dex 119

Using the str charm, total dmg 71,787, (109//807//2308)
Str 212, Dex 60

Please note -- this is when using swords -- it will differ for the other melee weapons, of course

This post was edited by Paparick on Oct 8 2010 06:42am
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Quote (NeWbLt123 @ Oct 8 2010 12:33pm)
Guess this charm is worth quite a bit now :)

Mystical wind XIV
Level Req: 55
Spell Damage: 31 to 139
Mana Cost: 109
+70 Dexterity
+192 Max Mana
+1 Critical Strike

Although most of my melee gear is either str or a mix of str/dex :/


As much as i admire your gear, would you please post something that contributes to the topic?
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Quote (Paparick @ Oct 8 2010 12:38pm)
Str vs Dex comparisons after 100 actions on each charm

Using the dex charm, total dmg 60,625, (73//735//2130)
Str 172, Dex 119

Using the str charm, total dmg 71,787, (109//807//2308)
Str 212, Dex 60


Which weapon were you using? and did you record the damage taken as well?

EDIT sry for doublepost...Editing and quoting messed up :(

This post was edited by Harpel on Oct 8 2010 06:42am
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Which weapon were you using? and did you record the damage taken as well?

EDIT sry for doublepost...Editing and quoting messed up :(


swords -- it will differ for the other melee weapons, of course
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Oct 8 2010 07:15am
Ricks Setup 1:
172 Str
119 Dex
Sword: -> 172*0,75+119*0,25 = 158,75
Avg Dam: 735
735/158,75 = 4,630

Ricks Setup 2:
212 Dtr
60 Dex
Sword: -> 212*0,75+60*0,25 = 174
Avg Dam: 807
807/174 = 4,638

The values Damage/Combined Stats are the same for both setups, wich indicates that the damage is independent from crit's (wich means Str adds 0,75 to critvalue and Dex adds 0,25).
Because i only took into account the total amount of actions, not the time used for the 100 actions in both Setup 1 and setup 2, this might differ a little, but not much.
Still, the damage taken is unknown but interesting, because in last version dexterity affected damage taken as well (high dex->less crits)

It would be interesting to have a similar Setup using Daggers. Especially a Dex-only and a Str-only build in comparison. It would be of great help if anyone could state the avg. values for Stats (Str/dex), Damage done (especially avg), and damage received.

I guess a DEX-only Dagger Setup will prove stronger than ANY other Weapon/Stat-Setup!

Ty to Paparick for the Swords-Setup-Tests!! :hug:
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Oct 8 2010 07:26am
Quote (Harpel @ Oct 8 2010 10:15am)
Ricks Setup 1:
172 Str
119 Dex
Sword: -> 172*0,75+119*0,25 = 158,75
Avg Dam: 735
735/158,75 = 4,630

Ricks Setup 2:
212 Dtr
60 Dex
Sword: -> 212*0,75+60*0,25 = 174
Avg Dam: 807
807/174 = 4,638

The values Damage/Combined Stats are the same for both setups, wich indicates that the damage is independent from crit's (wich means Str adds 0,75 to critvalue and Dex adds 0,25).
Because i only took into account the total amount of actions, not the time used for the 100 actions in both Setup 1 and setup 2, this might differ a little, but not much.
Still, the damage taken is unknown but interesting, because in last version dexterity affected damage taken as well (high dex->less crits)

It would be interesting to have a similar Setup using Daggers. Especially a Dex-only and a Str-only build in comparison. It would be of great help if anyone could state the avg. values for Stats (Str/dex), Damage done (especially avg), and damage received.

I guess a DEX-only Dagger Setup will prove stronger than ANY other Weapon/Stat-Setup!

Ty to Paparick for the Swords-Setup-Tests!! :hug:


I can do a similar test with daggers on my Sammy :)
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Oct 8 2010 07:29am
Pretty sure dex was always an important factor when it comes to crits/blocking crits.

The ratio of damage has changed, but dex still helps with criticals and also defense vs crit.

This post was edited by jlhromeo on Oct 8 2010 07:30am
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Quote (Paparick @ Oct 8 2010 10:26am)
I can do a similar test with daggers on my Sammy :)


lvl50 Samurai

Rare tintitanium chain mail
Level Req: 50
Physical Defense: 37 to 94
Magical Defense: 0 to 29

+57 Dexterity
+5% Experience Gained

The charms that I will be testing:

Magical fire XI
Level Req: 40
Spell Damage: 37 to 101
Mana Cost: 85

+45 Dexterity

Rare fire XI
Level Req: 40
Spell Damage: 37 to 101
Mana Cost: 85

+31 Strength
+3 Mana Regen

Oh -- using a 157EE dagger on this :)

This post was edited by Paparick on Oct 8 2010 07:48am
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