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May 23 2010 04:22pm
thought u werent telling ur secrets eh!? eh!?
eagerly await ur next results release :D
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May 23 2010 05:23pm
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hehe... While your efforts are valiant and procedure appears nice, your sample size is too small to jump to any conclusion. Let us know when you do 1000x. I also believe a test you should draw statistical evidence on is the magical level muted. Maybe add an additional column?

BTW: I believe you should try to attain 14ML * 3items and do your duty at lvl 55. If you are going to spend the time to record statistical data, you might as well use the maximum amount of ML (minus glyph) at the lowest lvl possible. Well, that's how I would approach this. A possible flaw in your data collection lies in the fact that you aren't 1) at cap ML for the particular tier you're using, 2) aren't max ML available (which is 14ml using a 55 item), 3) are not at lowest lvl possible for that particular Tier. Heck, if you think the ML is Tier dependent and done as a % to cap, this could be proven with unspawns and glyping at lvl1. Guess that's another test. I know my unspawn fire with 9ML shows some interesting results soloing in the first 10 lvls...


If i'm understanding the first part correctly about another colum for magical level (e.g. rare, mystical ect) I don't feel that it is needed. From my understanding of ML (increases stats of an item) the magical level of the item shouldn't play a role in the stats that spawn on the item.

For the 14 ML argument, I do the best i can with what is available on HC for fair prices :lol:

I think there might be some confusion within my goal here. My attempt was to prove that there was a difference between muting with '0' ML and with 'X' ML (in my case 34) muting all level 25 items. I'm not sure what you are trying to say as far as ML being tier dependent... maybe you could explain it a little more :)
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May 23 2010 05:36pm
Quote (TyL3r @ May 23 2010 07:23pm)
If i'm understanding the first part correctly about another colum for magical level (e.g. rare, mystical ect) I don't feel that it is needed. From my understanding of ML (increases stats of an item) the magical level of the item shouldn't play a role in the stats that spawn on the item.

For the 14 ML argument, I do the best i can with what is available on HC for fair prices :lol:

I think there might be some confusion within my goal here. My attempt was to prove that there was a difference between muting with '0' ML and with 'X' ML (in my case 34) muting all level 25 items. I'm not sure what you are trying to say as far as ML being tier dependent... maybe you could explain it a little more :)


God Bless you if I'm wrong, but I'm confident that I am not. ML affects the frequency of Side Drops & the Magical Level--not the quality of a stat. The quality of a stat is what you're trying to prove. I'm basically trying to help you do a worthwhile test that will bring some conclusions of significance w/o blatantly telling you that you're wasting your time with your current direction... It's not difficult to add in the additional column like I mentioned for additional testing. Basically, this is minimal effort to prove/disprove an additional hypothesis. :)

BTW, please don't take my comments as an attack--I'm simply trying to assist you in your endeavors and make your time spent worthwhile. If you first don't set up your testing environment in a 'proper manner', then your results can be flawed and worthless. I already have predictions as to your findings and is why I say what I do... ;)


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God Bless you if I'm wrong, but I'm confident that I am not. ML affects the frequency of Side Drops & the Magical Level--not the quality of a stat. The quality of a stat is what you're trying to prove. I'm basically trying to help you do a worthwhile test that will bring some conclusions of significance w/o blatantly telling you that you're wasting your time with your current direction...


For all my tests I muted either two magical items or two rare items together and they all came back at the same magical level. Again I'm still a little confused as how you would incorporate your idea into muting.. To me, if i'm understanding your thoughts correctly, the only way to test your idea would be to keep track of the essences you get back after muting a single item. Is that what you're talking about? :unsure:
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For all my tests I muted either two magical items or two rare items together and they all came back at the same magical level. Again I'm still a little confused as how you would incorporate your idea into muting.. To me, if i'm understanding your thoughts correctly, the only way to test your idea would be to keep track of the essences you get back after muting a single item. Is that what you're talking about? :unsure:


Yea, I'm getting sidetracked with something I did for welling... ignore me.
It would be an entirely different test to do the quality of essence drop with ML. That is something that could be very significant to look into additionally. Does ML affect the Magical level of an essence drop? Is the magical level affected if your are muting outside your prof range (ie: you mute arcane T3s when you're really on T6 for prof)

Yea, ignore my additional column comment. Consider though the cap ml for the Tier you're wearing, if you're wearing max ML available, and wearing it at the first available level you can for tier. Being HC will make this near impossible though. SC has a lot more perfect ML items around for a relatively cheap price.

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Yea, I'm getting sidetracked with something I did for welling... ignore me.
It would be an entirely different test to do the quality of essence drop with ML. That is something that could be very significant to look into additionally. Does ML affect the Magical level of an essence drop? Is the magical level affected if your are muting outside your prof range (ie: you mute arcane T3s when you're really on T6 for prof)

Yea, ignore my additional column comment. Consider though the cap ml for the Tier you're wearing, if you're wearing max ML available, and wearing it at the first available level you can for tier. Being HC will make this near impossible though. SC has a lot more perfect ML items around for a relatively cheap price.


Yeah capped ML is what I'll be going after next and I'll be expanding on this test with a greater sample size so when thats complete i'll post my results say with 150 for each instead of 50 :)

In the future I might try to see what the return on essences are based on ML but for now i'll just stick to one test :lol:
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May 23 2010 06:48pm
One muter can't do 500 mutes with ML and 500 without.

Allthough many muters can do 50 each and compare results.

This is still usefull even though sample size is small.
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May 23 2010 06:53pm
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One muter can't do 500 mutes with ML and 500 without.

Allthough many muters can do 50 each and compare results.

This is still usefull even though sample size is small.


I've done ~5000 mutes :P
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May 23 2010 06:59pm
Quote (Svartermetalisk @ May 23 2010 07:48pm)
One muter can't do 500 mutes with ML and 500 without.

Allthough many muters can do 50 each and compare results.

This is still usefull even though sample size is small.


ive done way more lol its simply a time issue. imoml doesnt help with essence downgrade nor for for a higher modifier roll
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