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#11
Nov 22 2009 05:53pm
Oh god.

get that chart in the sticky jb, it's awesome
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#12
Nov 22 2009 05:59pm
Lmao. Love that pic. I also love the idea posted, voted yes ofc.
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#13
Nov 22 2009 06:13pm
Quote (izParagonzi @ Nov 23 2009 07:50am)
Okay... this is a simple suggestion:

When you have any type of Heal Charm in the Acc Slot
It should show you the TRUE capacity of healing... and also the TRUE mana cost per cast (Cata/Arena).
Taking into account the -25% penalty... just my thoughts...

This came about because of a lengthy discussion...
I put 102% EE regular Heal charm in Main Slot and then dragged it into the MSG window (Cata)
192-592 Healing capacity (this was also including my characters INT)

Then I put my 31 int charm on main... 102 EE Heal on Acc and again dragged to show heal
222-592 Healing capacity

As you can see... there was a change in the amount of minimum healing but not maximum.
I tested during the run on both slots... the AVERAGE was identical... indicating to me that
it did not really matter... but then remember this is catacombs.. not arena... so the Main charm
had 31 int / 351 mana... which mean I had more chances to cast...


Just to check out the Maths a little bit more... I did a calculation based on the amount in the Acc Slot:
If my calculating process is correct... the true heal capacity (not including Crit Healing) is:
166 - 444 ... (based on 222-592 and main having the 31 Int charm)

That is a big difference...
__________

Process:
Divided # by 4... then Multiplied that by 3 = Total (now that is basic 25% reduction)
__________

Quote (przy @ Nov 23 2009 12:17pm)
First, there is no crit healing or amp healing.
Second, no.

One of the allures of ladder slasher is not having all of the answers. No one knows the dexterity formula. No one knows a crit strike formula. All of these things are purely speculation all the way down to the modifier chart by Ragnaroks.

If all of the game mechanics were exposed I think we would lose one of the best parts of ladder slasher, the mystery and intrigue of never quite knowing. Every time the game would change, everything would be predictable if we had all of the answers.


First... I am assuming that my formula is CORRECT to evaluate the 25% reduction when you have Heal in Acc Slot... so based on that
I think there is "Crit Healing"... considering that I was randomly doing 500 heals on occasions... where as I should be doing max 444.

Anyway back to your comments... there are PROS / CONS to this suggestion... and I am sure that they even themselves out.

We already know that HM is better in Main slot for catacombs compared to Intelligence... so what is the real harm?


This post was edited by izParagonzi on Nov 22 2009 06:25pm
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Nov 22 2009 06:17pm
Quote (izParagonzi @ Nov 22 2009 07:13pm)
Just to check out the Maths a little bit more... I did a calculation based on the amount in the Acc Slot:
If my calculating process is correct... the true heal capacity (not including Crit Healing) is:
166 - 444 ... (based on 222-592 and main having the 31 Int charm)

That is a big difference...


First, there is no crit healing or amp healing.
Second, no.

One of the allures of ladder slasher is not having all of the answers. No one knows the dexterity formula. No one knows a crit strike formula. All of these things are purely speculation all the way down to the modifier chart by Ragnaroks.

If all of the game mechanics were exposed I think we would lose one of the best parts of ladder slasher, the mystery and intrigue of never quite knowing. Every time the game would change, everything would be predictable if we had all of the answers.
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#15
Nov 22 2009 06:18pm
Quote (przy @ Nov 23 2009 01:17pm)
First, there is no crit healing or amp healing.
Second, no.

One of the allures of ladder slasher is not having all of the answers. No one knows the dexterity formula. No one knows a crit strike formula.  All of these things are purely speculation all the way down to the modifier chart by Ragnaroks.

If all of the game mechanics were exposed I think we would lose one of the best parts of ladder slasher, the mystery and intrigue of never quite knowing.  Every time the game would change, everything would be predictable if we had all of the answers.


er, what?

We know that the acc works at 75%. why not show this on the screen?
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#16
Nov 22 2009 06:20pm
Quote (Cloudfire @ Nov 22 2009 07:18pm)
er, what?

We know that the acc works at 75%. why not show this on the screen?


Then we should also show your crit strike and amp damage from weapons because you know there can be a 3x modifier?
I think that's boring and removes something that has been preserved for 10 seasons.
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#17
Nov 22 2009 06:24pm
Quote (przy @ Nov 23 2009 01:20pm)
Then we should also show your crit strike and amp damage from weapons because you know there can be a 3x modifier?
I think that's boring and removes something that has been preserved for 10 seasons.


No, because that crits/amp vary on a monster to monster basis. your acc heal only does 75% of its listed effect, always.

what you're saying is that it should only say the base damage of the charm, and keep the bonuses from having int hidden as well.

This post was edited by Cloudfire on Nov 22 2009 06:25pm
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#18
Nov 22 2009 06:26pm
Quote (Cloudfire @ Nov 22 2009 07:24pm)
No, because that crits/amp vary on a monster to monster basis. your acc heal only does 75% of it's listed effect, always.

what you're saying is that it should only say the base damage of the charm, and keep the bonuses from having int hidden as well.


bonus from intelligence is not hidden and if it were the bug should be reported to be fixed.
heal mastery as example is hidden.
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#19
Nov 22 2009 06:34pm
Quote (przy @ Nov 23 2009 01:26pm)
bonus from intelligence is not hidden and if it were the bug should be reported to be fixed.
heal mastery as example is hidden.


Isn't it? Where has njaguar released the formula for int vs charms? I don't recall ever seeing official word of its effects

This post was edited by Cloudfire on Nov 22 2009 06:34pm
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#20
Nov 22 2009 06:35pm
Quote (Cloudfire @ 22 Nov 2009 17:34)
Isn't it? Where has njaguar released the formula for int vs charms? I don't recall ever seeing official word of its effects


it's effect on a heal charm is shown in the damage it displays...
also, the (.95 + int/100) formula is 100% accurate
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