If you are still scratching your head at what serving God means then I know the perfect book that will tell you what it looks like. That book is called The Bible. At the same time there is nothing you can do to earn your way into Heaven, no matter how much you leave nature alone.

If you are opposed to anyone or thing that has compulsory obedience then I must recommend Christianity to you. There is no forced obedience. We freely chose to be Christians.

I'm so excited, with all of your ideals I can safely say that you will fit right into being a Christian. No doubt you are just eager to put your trust and faith into Jesus.

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This post was edited by Kyhle on Aug 14 2021 12:40am

It's as if you don't understand me or haven't been reading. I believe Christianity to be one of the biggest cults and aside from light debate on speculative issues I don't want to do any more research on it because I've already found much fault. At this point talking with folk such as yourself it's an exercise into further enlightenment which may make me sound like a jerk. You have no scruples telling me what I'm doing wrong so here's the truth as I see it: I think you are so deep into your quest for whatever that it is, that it has consumed your rational that in now affects how you see reality and moreover physics. This kind of analysis deepens my understanding by looking at where you and many like you went wrong. Its a hard thing to read truths like this when from another person. Unfortunately your persistence with the same recommendations and opinions does make you a zealot and me a heretic and that's the way it is for YOU but not for me. I am not so ignorant. Good day..

Yet Christianity isn't a cult. It's simply a relationship with myself and God. Oh I've done all the research and posted them for ease of access. I don't know what kind of research you did but would you care to share?

Also when you disagree with me you are not disagreeing with me at all. You are disagreeing with the Word of God. How are my rational thoughts and physics consumed? The way I see it I've done the research and continue to do the research every week by going to the Bible studies. We discuss the very passage that you simply pass off without a second thought.

Your analysis has come from a predetermined misconception. The truth hurts so much that you must deny the truth to keep your sanity.

Have you ever debated the Grand Canyon or the genealogy of Jesus? Have you ever studied the book of Revelation or researched 10 prophecies fulfilled in 1948? I highly doubt that.

Ok what research have you done to confirm both the history accuracy of your denomination as well as proof of concept, ie. God exists and you have not mistakenly resolved artifacts of study (incorrect reasoning, records, context etc.) as fact?

It's one this to say you have done all this, it's another completely to present your findings addressing all inquiries and that includes NOT using the Bible as a reference when requested. The Bible is NOT evidence in any way in my opinion just as the Lord of the rings series is also not evidence of middle Earth so you must use other facts to support it and these facts must be of the most basic nature not some conclusion drawn elsewhere. Let me make this absolutely clear: Written and spoken records that have been produced within your own denomination as well as associated branches and their histories are not valid.

And don't bother with arguments such as the grand canyon obviously it was carved by water and I will discard any evidence not cited by university level science.

With this in mind start with, prove God is real and prove your denomination is the correct one.

I don't think you can do it! And I will scrutinize your reply.

Whether God exists is one of the most basic and important questions any person can consider. Opinions about God abound, but answering the question does God exist? demands more than a few seconds of attention and involves a wide range of ideas and evidence. Ultimately, what we see in human experience, science, logic, and history leads to a confident answer: yes, God exists.

Often, this question is posed as “Can you prove God exists?” The problem is that, while truth itself is absolute, there are virtually zero instances of absolute proof outside of pure logic and mathematics. For that reason, courtrooms don’t require absolute proof to reach a verdict; rather, they seek to dispel “reasonable doubt” and consider what’s “most probable.”

Demanding “proof” of God that no one could ever reject is unreasonable. Neither evidence nor people function that way in the real world. “Encountering” facts and “accepting” them are profoundly different. Airtight, sound arguments will remain unconvincing to those determined to disbelieve. For the resolute skeptic, it’s not “proof,” even if it would convince almost anyone else. A person’s intent is more influential than any evidence encountered.

That means a certain amount of “faith” is necessary—and not just regarding God’s existence. Perfect knowledge is beyond our ability. Bias and prejudice cloud our views. There will always be a gap between what we can “know” and what we “believe.” This applies equally to skeptics and believers. We cannot possibly know every detail involved every time we sit in a chair, eat food, or climb stairs. Such actions all express a measure of faith. We act, despite what we don’t know, because of what we do know. That’s the essence of biblical faith, including faith in the existence of God. We trust in what is known, leading us to action, despite a less-than-absolute understanding (Hebrews 11:6).

Whether or not one acknowledges God, the decision involves faith. Belief in God does not require blind faith (John 20:29), but neither can it overcome malicious resistance (John 5:39–40). Bolstering faith are human experience, logic, and empirical evidence, all of which help answer the question does God exist?

Does God Exist? — Human Experience

Discussing the existence of God usually starts with logical arguments. That makes sense, but it’s not how human beings normally operate. No one starts devoid of all perspective, waiting to follow a robotically rational path before forming an opinion. People interpret life based on the world around them. So, looking at the existence of God ought to start with experiences. Afterwards, we can use logic to assess those views.

Evidence of God exists in daily human experiences (Romans 1:19–20; Psalm 19:1; Ecclesiastes 3:11). This includes our innate sense of morality. It applies to the apparent design of the universe around us. Human life compels belief that truth, deception, love, hate, goodness, evil, etc., are real and meaningful. The overwhelming majority of people throughout history have been inclined to believe in a reality greater than the physical.

Our experiences are not conclusive evidence, of course. Instead, God uses general revelation as an invitation (Revelation 3:20). Common experiences are meant to emphasize that we ought to seek further answers (Matthew 7:7–8). Those who ignore or disdain God’s invitation don’t have the excuse of ignorance (Romans 1:18; Psalm 14:1).

Does God Exist? — Human Logic

Three of the more powerful logical suggestions of God’s existence are the cosmological, teleological, and moral arguments.

The cosmological argument considers the principle of cause and effect. Each effect is the result of some cause, and each cause is the effect of a prior cause. However, that chain of causes cannot go on infinitely into the past, or else the chain would never actually start. Logic demands something eternally existent and that is not itself the effect of anything else. Our universe, clearly, is not eternal or uncaused. Logic points to God: the uncreated, eternal measure of all other things, the First Cause of our reality.

The teleological argument examines the structure of the universe. The largest galactic configurations, our solar system, our DNA, subatomic particles—everything gives the appearance of having been purposefully arranged. This trait is so strong that even hardened atheists have difficulty explaining away the appearance of design.

Nothing about subatomic particles or forces indicates they must be arranged as they are. Yet, if they were not exactly as they are, complex matter—and life—would be impossible. Dozens of universal constants coordinate with mind-boggling precision just to make life possible, let alone actual. Science has never observed or explained life arising from non-life, yet it also shows a sudden onset of complex organisms. A team of archaeologists who saw the words I am here on a cave wall would universally assume intelligent action. Meanwhile, human DNA represents a coding structure beyond the ability of the best human engineers. The weight of this evidence, logically, favors the idea of an Intelligent Designer—God—as an explanation.

The moral argument points to concepts like good and evil, ethics, and so forth. It’s notable that these are discussions of “what should be,” not merely “what is.” Moral principles are drastically disconnected from the ruthless, selfish reasoning that one would expect of a creature randomly evolved to survive at any cost. The very idea that human beings think in non-physical, moral terms is striking. Beyond that, the fundamental content of human morals remains constant throughout history and across cultures.

Further, discussion of moral ideas leads inevitably to a crossroads. Either moral ideas are completely subjective, and therefore meaningless, or they must be grounded in some unchanging standard. Human experience doesn’t support the conclusion that morals mean nothing. The most reasonable explanation for why people think in moral terms and share moral ideals is a real moral law provided by a Moral Lawgiver, i.e., God.

Does God Exist? — Human Science

The logical arguments above are inspired by observations. Concepts such as the Big Bang Theory demonstrate, at the very least, the scientific validity of a created, non-eternal universe. Likewise for the structure of DNA. Empirical data lends credibility to the idea of a biblical Creator and contradicts alternative explanations, such as an eternal universe or abiogenesis.

Archaeology also lends support to the Bible. People, events, and places depicted in Scripture have repeatedly been confirmed by secular discoveries. Many of these discoveries came after skeptics implied the Bible’s accounts were fictional.

History and literature, for their part, also support the existence of God. The preservation of the Bible is one example: our ability to trace the existing text of Scripture to a time so close to the original events supports the Bible’s reliability. Judeo-Christian influence on culture, morality, human rights, and the birth of modern science also strongly indicates an approach aligned with truth.

Does God Exist? — God in Us

Each of the prior categories is an entire field of study and the subject of thousands of books. Yet the existence of God is demonstrated most profoundly, for most people, in personal experience. It may be impossible to “prove” to others that you’re happy, for instance, but that doesn’t change the fact that you are. That’s not to say internal perspective outweighs objective truth, but complex truths are often powerfully supported by individual experiences. Changed lives, reformed attitudes, and answers to prayer are all part of our personal perception that God exists.

A personal sense of truth is a compelling way we know God exists, and it’s God’s intent for all people to experience that sense. God came to earth personally, as a human being (2 Corinthians 4:6), so we could have a personal relationship with Him (John 14:6). Those who sincerely seek God will find Him (Matthew 7:7–8), resulting in the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit (John 14:26–27).

The question does God exist?, therefore, cannot be answered with absolute proof, but we can point to the weight of evidence that suggests He does exist. Accepting the existence of God is not a blind-faith leap into the dark. It’s a trusting step out of the dark into a well-lit room where many things are made clear.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.



Funny, I see it as the complete opposite. I find that people who enter religion become oblivious to the beauty and truth of the universe as they step into a dark and completely covered up room, only seeing what they are being told to see.

I myself had an abundance of grace bless my heart. My personal and daily life, how I see the World, and more did not dramatically change in the stance that you posted.

This experience for me has let myself join in on others of the same or similar communities.

Teaching and stories allow for difference to become less than that and on the same side of general peace for nearly any individual.

Praying is healthy and having friends surround you when asked upon is meaningful.

Everyone might not agree, so with grace we live, learn, forgive, love and move forward, together.

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