But if they repent on their death bed they go to heaven? Biggest fucking scam I've ever heard.

Ahh, the old death bed repentance. I've had this argument before. How do you know that you will make it to your deathbed? Even so, how would you know if you were 2 hours away from death?

But the ones that do, that die 2 days after a heart attack, 6 months after a cancer diagnosis, cirrhosis of the liver from sinning his whole life?

It happens, but those guys get a free pass. Guys that learn to control a sinful act but still think about it 24/7 are all good too? Priest child rapists sometimes actually believe in God so would repent naturally. Golden ticket to heaven guys.

Don't you find it convenient that the same entity that forgives your sins placed sin in your life inevitably

I could live my life 100% moral and be agnostic and you people will still say I'm living in sin because I don't acknowledge Jesus

Lol

Yeah, those people out there do exist. We're not talking about them. We're talking about you. You brought up the deathbed repentance. Is that you plan to do? Do you plan to repent on your deathbed?



This is exactly why I had this post at the ready from 8 years ago. Go read this: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61694744&f=125&p=412760128

To which God? There's literally hundreds of not thousands throughout human history, what makes you so sure yours isn't bullshit like all the others? It's just illogical. Don't even get me started on the book.

Take out your wallet and look at the date. The year is the number of years since Jesus Christ was born.
Look at creation, there is order with how the world works. Only a creator could have made the order of the world.
Look at oil. There is no way that oil could have been made unless it were under massive pressure from lots of water. A global flood. The only recording of a worldwide flood is in the book of Genesis.
Look at the Rainbow, it was God's promise that He would never flood the entire Earth ever again.
Look at how many people were living their life in ruins until they found Jesus and turned their life around. You can hear many Testimonies about this.
Look at people's responses after becoming a Christian. They become Missionaries and dedicate their entire life to telling people about Jesus.
Look at how broken this world is. There is a global pandemic. We all hope and pray for this to be over as we have the knowledge that there is something better than what we have now. We have a pre-pandemic life to compare this world to. Just like we have a man who lived the perfect life to compare how things should be.
Look at Frodo posting this thread on every forum there is.

The God of the Bible is the one true God. Look at how we Christians study the Bible each and every week. We go to Church each and every week. We analyze and discuss each passage. We ask questions, we are not satisfied so we go and ask again. We find our answer. We are satisfied. We ask, we seek and we knock on the door. Our lives are changed by what we find and what we receive.

The bottom line is that we do this because we want to. Other religions tell you to do things because you have to. I've spoken to people from other religions and they can't grasp the concept that we willingly go to Church, we want to go to Church. They've been doing all the rituals because they have to, it's a burden to them.

That is why the God of the Bible is not illogical. That is how we know that He is the one and only God.

Im not interested in drinking the juice

If you want to give your own objective opinion then I'm all ears but quoting scripture and dogma loses me instantly

This is a similar debate I had with the same user months ago

Basically my position boiled down to religion is nothing more than a collective imagination of past, present and future and how it came to be and the possibility of a grand architect

Notably these "scholars and wish men" have almost no scientific affiliation and most conveniently refute


I don't know of a single successful sane religious person who is also a reputable scientist, doctor, engineer or biologist


Like this one guy said "I would rather have questions with no answers than answers that could be wrong"

And that's the bottom line that seperates believers from not believers- the believes are satisfied with conjecture as long as it suits them whether they realize it or not

Ahh, so you're not interested in the answer. How typical.



Albert Einstein. Now you know one.

The difference between the believers and non believers is that the non believers will always try to find some flaw in the evidence presented to them. The non believers will quote a Bible verse out of context and will hear none of it when a believer corrects them and explains it to them.

A believer will go and investigate whereas a non believer will make up their own mind and be blinded to the truth.