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Quote (Leevee @ Nov 10 2017 08:20pm)
None really. I do have a friend whose father has visited Antarctica (by airplane), he did not need anybody's approval, and he found it a very interesting trip. Of course that may have been a lie, so it doesn't prove anything.

I'm just wondering why you say that written approval is needed from several states. If you believe this to be true, I assume you got this information from a credible source?


the Antarctica Treaty requires it, depending on which area of the ice wall you plan to go to...
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Quote (kai_jph @ Nov 10 2017 12:49am)
How do you explain all the ships who sailed to Antarctica then

The treaty also says ( http://www.ats.aq/e/ats.htm )

Freedom of scientific investigation in Antarctica and cooperation toward that end … shall continue (Art. II).

Scientific observations and results from Antarctica shall be exchanged and made freely available (Art. III).

There's a bit of a contradiction here then.





Where did you read this?
I must have missed something :huh:


Anyone can sail to Antarctica - you just need permission and that permission depends on what you plan to do - if you just wanna look at some penguins - pretty sure that's fine with them.
otherwise you have to take a pre planed tour - pretty easy to put up "do not cross lines" - humans are just sheeple mostly - afraid to step out of line. Thats why they all believe in the consensus - its just fear - so easy to control them, they had a lifetime of bending to authority.

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Anyone can sail to Antarctica - you just need permission and that permission depends on what you plan to do - if you just wanna look at some penguins - pretty sure that's fine with them.
otherwise you have to take a pre planed tour - pretty easy to put up "do not cross lines" - humans are just sheeple mostly - afraid to step out of line. Thats why they all believe in the consensus - its just fear - so easy to control them, they had a lifetime of bending to authority.


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Quote (card_sultan @ Nov 11 2017 08:20am)
Anyone can sail to Antarctica - you just need permission and that permission depends on what you plan to do - if you just wanna look at some penguins - pretty sure that's fine with them.
otherwise you have to take a pre planed tour - pretty easy to put up "do not cross lines" - humans are just sheeple mostly - afraid to step out of line. Thats why they all believe in the consensus - its just fear - so easy to control them, they had a lifetime of bending to authority.


That being the case nothing in the anarctica treaty prevents you from exploring the wall

Article 1 – The area is to be used for peaceful purposes only; military activity, such as weapons testing, is prohibited but military personnel and equipment may be used for scientific research or any other peaceful purpose;
Article 2 – Freedom of scientific investigations and cooperation shall continue;
Article 3 – Free exchange of information and personnel in cooperation with the United Nations and other international agencies;
Article 7 – Treaty-state observers have free access, including aerial observation, to any area and may inspect all stations, installations, and equipment; advance notice of all activities and of the introduction of military personnel must be given;

The 60deg clause you mentioned was
Article 6
The provisions of the present Treaty shall apply to the area south of 60º South Latitude,
including all ice shelves, but nothing in the present Treaty shall prejudice or in any way affect the rights,
or the exercise of the rights,
of any State under international law with regard to the high seas within that area.

http://www.ats.aq/e/ats_keydocs.htm
For more info

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That being the case nothing in the anarctica treaty prevents you from exploring the wall

Article 1 – The area is to be used for peaceful purposes only; military activity, such as weapons testing, is prohibited but military personnel and equipment may be used for scientific research or any other peaceful purpose;
Article 2 – Freedom of scientific investigations and cooperation shall continue;
Article 3 – Free exchange of information and personnel in cooperation with the United Nations and other international agencies;
Article 7 – Treaty-state observers have free access, including aerial observation, to any area and may inspect all stations, installations, and equipment; advance notice of all activities and of the introduction of military personnel must be given;

The 60deg clause you mentioned was
Article 6
The provisions of the present Treaty shall apply to the area south of 60º South Latitude,
including all ice shelves, but nothing in the present Treaty shall prejudice or in any way affect the rights,
or the exercise of the rights,
of any State under international law with regard to the high seas within that area.

http://www.ats.aq/e/ats_keydocs.htm
For more info


good luck trying to wave those paper documents or mentioning web links to military personnel with automatic rifles pointed at your head as you attempt to hike inland after ascending the ice wall.....thousands of miles away from civilization and "witnesses"
but hey, go prove me wrong.
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the Antarctica Treaty requires it, depending on which area of the ice wall you plan to go to...


What's your source for the fact that the Antarctica Treaty requires this?
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Quote (ChivasRegal @ Nov 11 2017 11:44am)
good luck trying to wave those paper documents or mentioning web links to military personnel with automatic rifles pointed at your head as you attempt to hike inland after ascending the ice wall.....thousands of miles away from civilization and "witnesses"
but hey, go prove me wrong.


That would violate article 2 and 3 and no proof exists of enforcements to this degree
Right now we only have your word

Ships have sailed to Anarctica and people have visited.

Further more if you read the previous posts I suggested just sailing along the Ice wall and taking photos at intevals on top

I'm not retyping it again, please read them for more detail
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