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Nov 4 2017 09:31am
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Quote (kai_jph @ Nov 5 2017 12:32am)
@card as well

We discused this already chivas

Even if it did "converge" with the horizon due to the laws of persp that still doesn't explain why it appears the same size from noon to sunset, when (according to you) its moving out of our range of vision

Card's persp pic above shows objects getting smaller the further away you go

You have stated that the sun appears small due to perspective and distance, which we all agree with
The prob is now its moving further out of our range of vision yet not "appearing any smaller"


there are 2 types of terrestrial planes, the surface plane and the sky plane.....we are very close to the surface plane ofc (cos we live on it)
our human eyes try to fit both planes into something we can work with in a 3D view, this requires converging many objects we see and presenting it with a certain perspective that is necessary.
objects on the surface plane need less convergence because we are closer to them, but objects in the sky plane require greater convergence due to the larger mass or volume area that needs to be compressed into our limited human vision.
so that 3 bedroom house that is 3 miles away on the surface plane, will become bigger as we get closer to it. but objects in the sky plane have a different level of convergence and perspective, so they will not appear to get bigger depending on many variables.
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Nov 4 2017 10:34am
Quote (ChivasRegal @ Nov 4 2017 09:56am)
there are 2 types of terrestrial planes, the surface plane and the sky plane.....we are very close to the surface plane ofc (cos we live on it)
our human eyes try to fit both planes into something we can work with in a 3D view, this requires converging many objects we see and presenting it with a certain perspective that is necessary.
objects on the surface plane need less convergence because we are closer to them, but objects in the sky plane require greater convergence due to the larger mass or volume area that needs to be compressed into our limited human vision.
so that 3 bedroom house that is 3 miles away on the surface plane, will become bigger as we get closer to it. but objects in the sky plane have a different level of convergence and perspective, so they will not appear to get bigger depending on many variables.


There are infinitely many 2d planes in any 3d system.

We don't only have 2 planes.
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Nov 4 2017 10:49am
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There are infinitely many 2d planes in any 3d system.

We don't only have 2 planes.


I exist on the spiritual plane
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Nov 4 2017 11:16am
Quote (ChivasRegal @ Nov 4 2017 05:56pm)
there are 2 types of terrestrial planes, the surface plane and the sky plane.....we are very close to the surface plane ofc (cos we live on it)
our human eyes try to fit both planes into something we can work with in a 3D view, this requires converging many objects we see and presenting it with a certain perspective that is necessary.
objects on the surface plane need less convergence because we are closer to them, but objects in the sky plane require greater convergence due to the larger mass or volume area that needs to be compressed into our limited human vision.
so that 3 bedroom house that is 3 miles away on the surface plane, will become bigger as we get closer to it. but objects in the sky plane have a different level of convergence and perspective, so they will not appear to get bigger depending on many variables.


I think you meant smaller there

Thats now contradicting the laws of convergence since objects in the sky are further away so should converge more than objects on the ground.

The sun appears small due to the distance you said.
Yet when it moves a further distance away it does not appear to get smaller

If I kick a soccer ball across the field high it appears smaller as it flies and lands on the other side of the field
Now other than the distance, size and the fact the sun obv doesn't land, whats the difference?
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Nov 4 2017 11:36am
Quote (Santara @ Nov 4 2017 03:05am)
No, fuckwit. The sun can't converge with the horizon on a flat Earth because it's above it. What it SHOULD do is disappear from sight while still in the sky.


No twit stick - just because you dont understand perspective it doesn't mean its not true. Just that Nasa won't tell you the truth and you dont believe anything if Nasa doesn't tell you to think it.

Hey if you wanna suck on the Spaceballs theory - thats great for you - but dont tell me what to believe cause I'm done with your Sun Worshipping Cult.

Jaren tries to explain perspective one more time for the slow people, so if you dont get it - thats ok - ive noticed that thing take months and months for ideas to sink in for you, one day youll get it.

https://youtu.be/iNrvgtw9MWw?t=2614
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Quote (kai_jph @ Nov 4 2017 05:02am)
@card as well

We discused this already chivas

Even if it did "converge" with the horizon due to the laws of persp that still doesn't explain why it appears the same size from noon to sunset, when (according to you) its moving out of our range of vision

Card's persp pic above shows objects getting smaller the further away you go

You have stated that the sun appears small due to perspective and distance, which we all agree with
The prob is now its moving further out of our range of vision yet not "appearing any smaller"


This is just a weak argument that ballers use because they try to obfuscate the fact that that this mostly applies for things on the same plane as you. The higher you go up the less it affects apparent size.
Like for example - does an airplane at 40,000 feet change size as it flies across the sky. Are their examples you can find where the Sun does change appent size - 100% yes, but these blatant liars and deceivers do not wish to mention these anomalies because it shows the ridiculous of their claims

https://youtu.be/6W7tjgtfiVE
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Nov 4 2017 11:59am
i think Chivas and card sultan made their tinfoil hats to small and its putting pressure on their brains...
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Nov 4 2017 12:05pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Nov 4 2017 07:54pm)
This is just a weak argument that ballers use because they try to obfuscate the fact that that this mostly applies for things on the same plane as you. The higher you go up the less it affects apparent size.
Like for example - does an airplane at 40,000 feet change size as it flies across the sky. Are their examples you can find where the Sun does change appent size - 100% yes, but these blatant liars and deceivers do not wish to mention these anomalies because it shows the ridiculous of their claims

https://youtu.be/6W7tjgtfiVE


Not to this degree


Pretty much what you and chivas are describing with convergence
It gets less bright but does not appear that much smaller as it "sets or moves out of our range of vision" as per the image
You and chivas are the one's lying

And go figure youtube again.
You claim cgi yet whats the guarantee the youtube poster above didn't manipulate his video

This post was edited by kai_jph on Nov 4 2017 12:19pm
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Nov 4 2017 12:28pm
Quote (kai_jph @ Nov 4 2017 08:05am)
Not to this degree
http://image.ibb.co/jVvmW5/sunpcv.jpg

Pretty much what you and chivas are describing with convergence
It gets less bright but does not appear that much smaller as it "sets or moves out of our range of vision" as per the image
You and chivas are the one's lying

And go figure youtube again.
You claim cgi yet whats the guarantee the youtube poster above didn't manipulate his video


You are a blatant liar cause you have been decieved by people who never understand anything

https://youtu.be/Nzw1Ug4tOo8

https://youtu.be/r8ALAm_qSO8

https://youtu.be/zes6nc7PebA

https://youtu.be/p_9cFTQg7NE

https://youtu.be/3_5U5lw6_MY

https://youtu.be/g-dj4-tGe7A



This post was edited by card_sultan on Nov 4 2017 12:32pm
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